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Most Americans Don't Think Churches Should Be Exempt From LGBT Non-Dis

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Most Americans Don't Think Churches Should Be Exempt From LGBT Non-Discrimination Laws
Huffington Post | By Shadee Ashtari | 10/31/2014 2:55 pm EDT

According to a new Harris poll released Thursday, two-thirds of Americans support federal legislation that would bar employers from discriminating against workers on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity, and 55 percent reject exemptions for any employers -- even churches.

The online survey, conducted Sept. 10-18 with Out & Equal Workplace Advocates and Witeck Communications, found that only 35 percent of Americans think religious organizations are legally justified to discriminate against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender workers on faith-based grounds. Slightly fewer respondents, 30 percent, made the same exception for privately held businesses. About 1 in 5 Americans said publicly held businesses should be able to claim a religious exemption as well, according to the survey, which interviewed 2,543 adults in the United States.

In July, President Barack Obama issued an executive order protecting LGBT employees of federal contractors and the federal government from employment discrimination. The provision pertaining to federal contractors, which does not grant any exemptions for religiously affiliated contractors, affects 24,000 companies employing nearly one-fifth of the U.S. workforce. But in 29 states, all other workers can still be legally fired or harassed for being gay, lesbian or bisexual. For transgender employees, that's true in 32 states.

In Congress, legislation to remedy this gap has passed the Senate but stalled in the GOP-controlled House. The Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which would protect all LGBT workers from workplace discrimination, has also lost support from a number of gay rights groups in recent months because of its inclusion of a wide-reaching religious exemption that would give faith-affiliated businesses legal cover to discriminate against LGBT employees.

"I think there's a broad consensus that the rules should apply to everyone, which is why we withdrew our support from ENDA," Jennifer Pizer, senior counsel at Lambda Legal, explained in an Associated Press interview earlier this month. "If you have different standards, then it communicates a message that some kinds of discrimination are not as serious as others."
 

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I'm pleased to see that most Americans don't think bigotry is OK if you cite your imaginary friend. Good!
 

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I certainly think federal contracts should follow the rules.
But organizations that only use private money? Leave em be.
It just fans the flames, and shuts down any real dialogue.

It's the dialogue that changes hearts and minds.
 

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I certainly think federal contracts should follow the rules.
But organizations that only use private money? Leave em be.
It just fans the flames, and shuts down any real dialogue.

It's the dialogue that changes hearts and minds.

Don't religions get tax exempt status? In which case, they are subsidised to a very high extent. The amount of tax they don't pay is spectacular!

In America, your healthcare comes from your employer, so, I think it is unreasonable to have a tax-payer subsidised organisation give sub-standard healthcare on religious grounds. Surely the tax payers they employ have the right to full and proper healthcare?

Similarly, if an organisation is taxpayer subsidised, why should they get to fire employees more easily than others? Don't those taxpaying employees have rights?

I will agree that churches should be free to withhold religious rites from anyone they see fit. They should be free to discriminate in which volunteers they allow in.

But, they moment they take advantage of tax payers by accepting tax exempt status, they must treat their employees as well as every other employer must.

The rights of people come before the rights of corporations and churches. The latter have rights too, but human rights take precedence.

B.
 

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...The rights of people come before the rights of corporations and churches. The latter have rights too, but human rights take precedence.

I can see your point in terms of overall fairness and justice. But I don't think it would get very far as a legal argument in the U.S.. The US constitution does not recognize right to work or health care. It does, however, prohibit the government from interfering with religious beliefs.

Tax policy and public opinion aren't really relevant if you are trying to sue a church to force them to change their hiring policy. The First Amendment is a pretty powerful argument.
 
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