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MP Arbib lashed for backing gay marriage as Aussies support change

Should Australia Change The Marriage Act to Accept Same Sex Marrige

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    Votes: 7 87.5%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Not To Sure/ Maybe

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • About Bloody Time

    Votes: 5 62.5%

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KEY Cabinet ministers delivered a withering attack on fellow minister Mark Arbib last night, accusing him of undermining the Prime Minister with his public support for gay marriage.

In growing signs of disunity within Labor, several Cabinet ministers accused Mr Arbib of disloyalty at a meeting of the party's national Right faction.

Mr Arbib, a powerbroker and former faction leader, was pivotal in sacking Kevin Rudd and promoting Ms Gillard.

But last week he became the first minister to defy the PM, calling for the party's opposition to gay marriage to be overturned and a conscience vote to be taken in Parliament.

Senior sources at last night's meeting in Canberra said the Attorney-General Robert McClelland and Trade Minister Craig Emerson accused Mr Arbib of "ill-discipline" and undermining Ms Gillard.

Other right-wing NSW MPs Steve Hutchens and Joel Fitzgibbon accused Mr Arbib of speaking outside his portfolio and warned of the consequences for the Government.

"It was a withering attack," said one source at the meeting.

"No one defended him. It was regarded as a massive lack of discipline in speaking outside his portfolio.

"He has directly gone against the PM and the agreed process on this issue, which is the national conference."

Ms Gillard's office was said to have asked Mr Emerson to warn MPs about speaking publicly in support of gay marriage. The meeting revealed a bitter division emerging over the issue.

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Labor to support amended Greens' motion on gay marriage

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Labor to support amended Greens' motion on gay marriage

LABOR may stave off deepening internal divisions on same sex marriage by supporting an amended Greens motion calling on MPs to gauge their constituents' views on the subject.

A caucus spokesman confirmed today that Labor would be supporting the motion which was amended in the lower house last night to make it more palatable to the parliament.

"We'll be voting for it. We moved an amendment to it which [Greens MP] Adam Bandt supports,'' the spokesman clarified today.

The Coalition has decided not to support the amended Greens notion and if its MPs hold the party line, independents will determine whether it is passed.

Momentum is gathering in Labor ranks for a conscience vote on the issue with one MP, Stephen Jones, using a parliamentary debate last night to flag his support for same-sex marriage in defiance of official Labor policy.

"Having focused on the issue and having applied the core Labor values of equality, fairness and dignity, I believe that there is a case for change,'' he told the Parliament.

Labor power broker and minister Mark Arbib has already come under attack from inside the party by questioning the government's position on gay marriage.

The Daily Telegraph reported today that several cabinet ministers had accused Mr Arbib of disloyalty at a meeting of the party's national right faction and also of speaking outside his portfolio areas which include sport, indigenous employment and social housing.

Mr Arbib was the first minister to defy the Prime Minister when he called last week for a conscience vote on gay marriage and sources have told News Limited the attack on him by his colleagues was "withering'' with no-one defending Mr Arbib's decision to speak out.

Greens Senator Sarah Hanson Young has also told The Australian Online she expected MPs to support the Greens motion, holding it up as a benchmark about how the parliament should operate in relation to issues on which public sentiment had shifted.

It should be a really important example of how the parliamentarians regardless of what side of the chamber you're on - whether you're on Labor, the Coalition or the crossbenches - should be thinking about issues [on which] opinion has changed over time. And there is strong support out there in the community for the idea of same sex marriage, removing that discrimination.

"Those people who simply want to avoid even talking about that are not listening to their electorates.''

The amendment moved yesterday sought to remove an assumption in the motion about the degree to which same sex marriage enjoyed support in the community.

According to the Hansard the unamended motion stated that there was "widespread support for equal marriage in the Australian community'' and called on all parliamentarians to "gauge their constituents' views on the issue of marriage equality.''

The amendment proposed by Labor MP Stephen Jones called on all parliamentarians, "consistent with their duties as representatives, to gauge their constituents' views on ways to achieve equal treatment for same-sex couples, including marriage.''

Mr Bandt tried to move an amendment himself on how parliamentarians should gauge the views of constituents but was shut down by Liberal MP Bronwyn Bishop who argued it had been "brought on at the last moment''.

Liberal MP Philip Ruddock said Mr Bandt was seeking support for a fundamental change to the law of marriage in Australia.

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Gay marriage to be law: union boss

ONE of Labor's most powerful factional bosses, Bill Ludwig, has urged the party against becoming obsessed with gay marriage.

However, he has defended the call for same-sex unions, arguing the community's views have evolved on the controversial issue.

Mr Ludwig, the influential Queensland secretary of the Australian Workers Union and its national president, is the latest union boss to enter the debate after Joe de Bruyn, the head of the right-faction Shop Distributive and Allied Employees Association and Labor national executive member, said the issue was an unwanted distraction for the government.

Both men sit on the ALP's powerful national executive committee, which met yesterday.

Mr de Bruyn warned that Labor faced "electoral suicide" unless it avoided the Greens' "excessive" influence over the government's agenda.

Mr Ludwig agreed there were more important issues but said he was not opposed to a conscience vote on the issue, and believed same-sex marriages were inevitable. "I don't think it's an election issue. I think people are, really, 'who cares about it?'," he said.

"There are a lot more important issues we've got to address but now that it's here I don't have any great complaint one way or the other."

Mr Ludwig said he believed gay marriage would become legal.

On Thursday a Greens motion urging MPs to seek the views of their electorates on changing marriage laws was passed in the House of Representatives with Labor's support. AWU national secretary Paul Howes declared gay marriage was not a left-wing issue and was not about following the Greens' agenda.

"I don't think the party should be swung to the Left but I don't think ending discrimination against a group of Australians is a left-wing issue. It's about common decency," he said.

Mr de Bruyn warned that if Labor allowed itself to become "distracted" by Greens issues it would "lose the next election".

He suggested Julia Gillard should focus more on "bread-and-butter issues including interest rates, education, health and the National Broadband Network".

The Greens were "giving the perception that they are in control of the agenda". "This is not in Labor's interest," Mr de Bruyn said.

He said the Prime Minister, who is on her way to Lisbon for NATO talks on the future of Afghanistan, should have killed off the issue of gay marriage in parliament this week. "There are no votes for Labor in the marginal electorates in the big metropolitan areas on the gay marriage issue," Mr de Bruyn told ABC radio.

Left-wing union boss Tony Maher said Labor needed to maintain the courage of its convictions and that pre-election decisions to abandon the emissions trading scheme had "exposed its Green flank".

Mr Maher , the general president of the Construction Forestry Mining and Energy Union's mining division, said he had no doubt Labor MPs would end up having a conscience vote on the same-sex marriage issue and its acceptance would "get up".

Former federal Labor minister Graham Richardson said the gay marriage debate wouldn't go away. He said he had no doubt Ms Gillard "privately" supported gay marriage and the law change would succeed if she backed it.
 
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