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Rand Paul: Gays Can Have A Contract But Can't Have An Actual Marriage

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Poor Rand.
In his heart, he's a true libertarian. But he's running for president as a Republican.

He has to say these stupid things.
 
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To think this idiot is the son of an awesome man like Ron Paul.
 

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Poor Rand.
In his heart, he's a true libertarian. But he's running for president as a Republican.

He has to say these stupid things.

I believed that about his dad, I honestly don't believe that about Rand. I think he just wants power for power's sake, and truly believes sod all :(

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His skepticism about American intervention is important.
No other Republican will engage this this viewpoint at all.

Even Hilary is more interventionist.
 

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His skepticism about American intervention is important.
No other Republican will engage this this viewpoint at all.

Even Hilary is more interventionist.

He really helped cement that point of view by choosing an Air Craft Carrier as the backdrop for his campaign launch :(

I don't believe he has any backbone - he'll do or say anything to get elected IMO.

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Of course, historically, "traditional" marriage (and I am talking about thousands of years) was just that: a contract. It was 50% about controlling property (land, cattle, wives, children, slaves) and 50% about making advantageous political alignments with other families and tribes. After all, why fight for the land over the hill when you can just marry into it? The Hapsburgs built an ever-expanding European empire that lasted over 600 years mostly by marrying into whatever kingdom that they wanted to control.

That's what I think of when I hear people talking about "re-defining marriage". Hey, straight people, don't blame us - we weren't the ones that re-defined marriage to make it about love and relationship. You opened that door. We just walked through it.
 
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Of course, historically, "traditional" marriage (and I am talking about thousands of years) was just that: a contract. It was 50% about controlling property (land, cattle, wives, children, slaves) and 50% about making advantageous political alignments with other families and tribes. After all, why fight for the land over the hill when you can just marry into it? The Hapsburgs built an ever-expanding European empire that lasted over 600 years mostly by marrying into whatever kingdom that they wanted to control.

That's what I think of when I hear people talking about "re-defining marriage". Hey, straight people, don't blame us - we weren't the ones that re-defined marriage to make it about love and relationship. You opened that door. We just walked through it.

Exactly!

Any competent historian (let's take british historian Colin Morris, since he's a renowned expert on the most relevant period of European history, the high middle ages 1050-1250) can tell when and why the Roman church started trying to articulate and define it's own conception of marriage.

When? In the high middle ages, in particular from 1095 until about a hundred years later.

Why? Because a band of extremely power hungry bishops and popes - the so-called Gregorian Papalist movement - wanted to make the Papacy a monarchy. To succeed, forging a totally church controlled definition of marriage (defining the marriage as a sacrament), a set of ecclesiastical laws founded on this definition and a set of ecclesiastic courts with exclusive rights to handle marriage court cases was essential to the Gregorian strategy.

Before the Gregorian movement, kings and nobles married, got divorced and re-married according to their own likings. The church really got nothing important to say and do.

But in the Post-Gregorian marriage, it was the church who decided (in the canon law) who could and couldn't marry. And marriage was for life and eternity...
 
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