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wondering how many people think the struggle for equality sexually is complete or is there still a long way to go
 

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The struggle for Gay equality worldwide may never be realized or at least not for some thousands of years yet. But looking at the progress made in the last 50 years one should 'never say never' ;)
 

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wondering how many people think the struggle for equality sexually is complete or is there still a long way to go

Even when you confine yourself to just the western world, there is still quite some way to go. Just look at the news out of the biggest western nation of all, the USA, in just the last 7 days - adoption agencies granted the right to discriminate, marriage clerks granted the right to discriminate, and more. There is a flurry of new pro-discrimination laws in the US today. Everyone hopes the supreme court will erase them all at a stroke, but don't count your chickens before they hatch!

Even here in Ireland where we just had our big equality win there is lots more to do. To allow the referendum to pass, adoption rights were explicitly separated from marriage rights, so while gays will soon be able to marry, they still face an up-hill struggle for equal treatment when it comes to adopting.

To paraphrase the slogan of an Irish political party from a few elections ago (one I detest at it happens), a lot done, more to do!

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I think that the church should keep to its remit of teaching the world about forgiveness,tolerance and well being and stop entering political debate about anything.
They are diametrically opposite. even back in our own British history 900 years ago the people at that time worshiped god only not politics.
The new best selling novel of all time had just reached our shores and was translated, together with the other propaganda of other faiths to make people understand that brainwashing was now the vogue of generations to come.
The church at that time saw the huge significance of the money it could make and then decided to meddle in politics, trying to challenge all the monarchs until Oliver Cromwell took over, then politics really got hold of religion and has never been stopped since all the over the world.
Quakers and baptists traveled to America, when we once tried owning it, and all hell let loose, leaving a lot of Americans being either paranoid, religious bigots,or male chauvinists and some even believe in UFO's. strange that they still believe in god at the same time lol
The sound knowledge of earths birth with the big bang still hasn't stopped the brainwashing of people worldwide, and terrible atrocities are done in the name of religion. when will people wake up, smell the coffee and stop trying to control other peoples lives, whether gay straight or lesbian, we all have the right to co exist with one another as we all have something to give to society as a whole. the only people who should be constrained are bigots, Homophobes and Nazis' and chauvinists.
Politics after all should be a democratic process and if people stop being brainwashed it will sought itself out in the very end. but my answer to the original question is NO we have a hell of a long way to go, in my 60 plus years i have seen a lot achieved but in some things it is 2 steps forward and 1 step back, so we all need to be diligent and keep educating people that being gay is not a fucking lifestyle, and straight people do not own the world we live in.
Nature owns the world and by "whoever" don't cross it as it bites back.
 

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I don't even slightly disagree that church and state need to be kept separate. Heck, even the Jesus agreed with that!

Jesus said:
Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's

But, I do want to quibble on a point of British History:

The church at that time saw the huge significance of the money it could make and then decided to meddle in politics, trying to challenge all the monarchs until Oliver Cromwell took over, then politics really got hold of religion and has never been stopped since all the over the world.

Sorry, but no, it's Henry VIII who bound politics and religion together in the UK when he passed the act of supremacy in 1534. He bound them together so tightly that to this day, the UK has an official state religion, and the monarch and prime minister must be of that religion!

Cromwell's protectorate didn't come along until 1653, over 100 years later!

Living in Ireland, the temptation to blame that dictatorial genocidal butcher (Cromwell) for everything and anything is very strong, but the equally dictatorial and dangerous Henry VIII is the villain in this particular instance.

By declaring that king is head of both church and state, Henry caused centuries of butchery as England flip-flopped between Catholic and Protestant monarchs. Cromwell was just one of the flips (or flops) in the slow-motion train-wreck Henry set in motion.

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