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Does anyone one know Why a lot of gay men are fond of organs ?
 

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The popular, sociable student learns an instrument that you play in a group or band with your mates. If you are the kind of student that dosent feel at home in a group, you may prefer an instrument that you can play alone. To reach a high standard requires hours of regular practice, which is more of a nerd thing, the jocks prefer football and beer. This is just one possible explaination, there will be others.

Very difficult to compare, mostly because they play so very different music, but since I already know Gert van Hoef a bit from earlier and know he's spectacular with JS Bach and baroque music in general I'll go for Gert!

Let's listen to how a master organist - yes, very young but a master anyway - handles the master of all masters, Johann Sebastian...

I won't start with the D minor Toccata, let's be a bit more original: Fugue in G minor:


...and then the F major Toccata:


...one of the most famous organ chorals, Jesu Bleibet meine freude/ Jesu Joy of man's Desiring:


Then what you've all been waiting for, Toccata and Fugue in D minor:


Just to show that Gert van Hoef isn't the only great young Dutch organist, here's Jos Maters playing Swedish composer and organist Oskar Lindberg's Gammal Fäbodpsalm från Älvdalen (Old Pastoral choral from Älvdalen):
 

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Dvorak at Utrecht


This harkens back at least a century, before electronic music reproduction, when the only way for people in the hinterlands to hear a symphonic work was via transcriptions played on the local pipe organ. Last movement of the New World Symphony.
 

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More Dutch organ


A little turgid at first, but following sections clarify nicely. Fun to watch his performance prowess.
 

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Handel, Water Music, Akademie für alte Musik Berlin, in Amsterdam


Exquisitely performed! Why wasn't I born into this culture?
 

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Let's have some of Johann Sebastian Bach's great mentor, danish-german composer and organist Dietrich Buxtehude (1637-1707). In 1705 young Johann Sebastian travelled by foot 460 kilometers from Arnstadt to Lübeck where Buxtehude had worked in the Marienkirche since the late 1660s.

 

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The organist in the Lübecker Marienkirche before Buxtehude was Franz Tunder (1614-1667):

 

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The organ is an instrument with ancient roots; it didn't emerge from Christianity and it wasn't popular in medieval churches. The organ became popular and of central importance from the mid 15th century on.

An important example is the Buxheimer Orgelbuch, a manuscript compiled in München in the 1460s.

This is Ton Koopman playing the first part of this ancient organ manuscript!

 

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Couperin, Mass for the Convents - Michel Chapuis


LOVE this thread. No fluff (so far).

Any Chapuis fans here?
 

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Translation?

Can anyone translate Couperin’s title page, shown in the above video? It ends with “avec privilege du Roy” (with privilege of the King). Out of context, I can’t tell what that means.

Wiki reports that due to lack of funds, only the title page was engraved, while the rest of the manuscript was handwritten. The king referred to was Louis XIV (the “Sun King”), the longest reigning French monarch, crowned at age 5. Obviously, I’ve been too immersed in German and English history to pay sufficient attention to France!
 

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The above piece shows how much is lost in the Youtube mp3 encoding. All the music is there, it's the acoustic that gets lost. That's not crucial for studio productions but here the reaction of the room is a part of the performance, it's more than just the sound coming out of the pipes. Can't complain since I'm not paying anything for all this free music, just dreaming of how gorgeous it would be to hear it on vinyl.

Does this sound any better to you?



It is the very famous Isnard organ at St. Maximin. Same music, same organist. The golden instrument shown near the end is Chapuis at the chapel in Versailles, I believe.

I never listen to music on my computer without earphones. Also, pipe organs heard live are usually a lot more staggering, especially one like this. The Isnard has been sampled and is available on Hauptwerk. Would love to learn how to use that software, but from what I've read, it sounds overly complicated. You can find Hauptwerk reproductions of the Isnard on YouTube as well. More sound loss there, of course. But still, with an electronic setup in a small space at your home, Hauptwerk can give your fingers access to one of the greatest organs in the world, which has to be pretty thrilling. Here's one of my favorite Hauptwerk organists performing at home in a virtual closet space:



The Bovenkerk Hinsz is the organ sampled here.
 
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I like the neat the way that, by bringing in the Hauptwerk, you've given me a route back to Cameron Carpenter. His instrument runs in software, like the Hauptwerk. It contains full samplings of 34 famous American pipe organs, but unlike anything else that is available, the server backstage can run all these emulations at the same time. It's over the top of course but who could resist the idea of having 34 big ones at our fingertips. Enough to bring out the inner size queen in all of us.

There ya go, dargelos. Delusions of grandeur. Maybe that's one of the factors that explains why so many organists are gay. It is definitely one of the pipe organ's major attractions. As a historically very marginalized minority, many gays automatically try to overcompensate, and what better way to do that than embrace grandiosity? Especially when so much music written for the pipe organ is so ecstatically powerful!

There’s also the achievement factor. Overachieving and overcompensating go hand in hand. Splitting one’s attention over 3 keyboards is very difficult---difficult to coordinate, difficult to learn, difficult to read 3 staves at once. What other instrument offers such challenges? There’s a reason the pipe organ is called the King of Instruments so often. But I would rather have 34 EURO pipe organs at my fingertips than 34 American ones. For one thing, the acoustical spaces in Europe are so much better, as are the pipe organs themselves. An internationally famous organbuilder once told me that we’ve never learned how to reproduce the voicing of the master organbuilders of the past.

Why are organists so gay? Why are oboists and flautists so gay? Delusions of grandeur can’t be the reason for the latter, can they? Maybe oboists and flautists are just naturally more twitty---you know, like Pan prancing through the forest with his tootie flutie. Personally, I like the pipe organ’s ultra loud melodies and harmonies that assault my synapses in an orgasmic way. I also love its ultra soft sounds. Very comforting.

Why are so many hairdressers gay? Or ballet dancers? There are probably lots of explanations for all the stereotypically gay havens, especially the priesthood.

Why are so many organists gay? Churchianity may have something to do with it. “Don’t you touch that pussy. No, no, no. Even thinking about it is bad.” Frankly, I can’t even look at one without throwing up. LOL.

In the meantime, cocks have a mind of their own. They gotta squirt one way or another.

Why is Christianity so gay? Is Islam gay? Who knows? Probably. You never see the women, only the men. Their leaders cling to power and misogyny just as most priests and shamans have done throughout history. Shamanism is traditionally just another gay haven, isn't it? A place where the weaker ones---the non-hunters and the non-fighters---can survive and thrive, where they can even shine AND wield a LOT of power if that's what gets their rocks off.

Why are wrestlers so gay? Why are all the supposedly macho pursuits turning out to be so gay these days? Perhaps Mother Nature is sick and tired of overpopulation. No species is ever allowed to proliferate and dominate everything the way humanity has. Global population is projected to grow to 10-12 billion before it begins to diminish. I figure the world will become gayer and gayer as a result. Something or somebuddy has got to put the brakes on all those reproducing cocks.

As far as I'm concerned, we gays are doing our part to save humanity. How's that for delusions of grandeur?
 
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Bach-Busoni

The first two vids are from one of Bach’s so-called “war horses”---i.e., one of his most popular organ works. Busoni’s piano transcriptions of these works add a lot to their value and appreciation, I think, especially when interpreted so uniquely and wonderfully:



I omitted the Adagio. Its coda (and transition to the fugue) is nice, but the rest has always sorta dragged for me, though I’ve slogged through it many a time at funerals, during Lent, etc. Conversely, the fugue theme has always been one of my faves:



Have always found this Orgelbuchlein piece too slow and boring as well, even though, like the aforementioned Adagio, it is masterfully crafted, but I love this orchestral transcription by Vittorio Gui (Italian conductor, composer, musicologist) and interpretation by Slatkin. This track will steer you toward other conductors’ transcriptions that are probably worth exploring:



Frequently heard at weddings, this Orgelbuchlein gem is equally joyous via Busoni’s piano transcription and Kun-Woo Paik’s exuberant interpretation. As you've probably already surmised, his virtuosity is also pretty thrilling:


 
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I'm still digesting the Leipziger. The effect is synesthetic, those tone colours are so intense I can taste them. Divine, as the composer intended.
I was going to watch a little porn but listened to this again instead. Bach would have been pleased that he had saved me from the sin of Onan.
 

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I'm still digesting the Leipziger. The effect is synesthetic, those tone colours are so intense I can taste them. Divine, as the composer intended.
I was going to watch a little porn but listened to this again instead. Bach would have been pleased that he had saved me from the sin of Onan.

Once upon a time, at a local restaurant, sitting across from me at a banquet table was a fairly well-known composer who had become head of the composition department at a major American university. He was also an organist, as was everyone else at the table. In his younger days, he had studied with Messiaen. So I asked him, “Do you believe in synesthesia?”

“No, but I do believe in sinecure and serendipity,” he quipped. LOL

But then he quickly retracted his snarkiness and admitted it was a serious question that deserved a serious answer. So he followed with a “serious” answer, but I can’t remember it at all---probably because it was mostly very forgettable.

To my mind, synesthesia is definitely an interesting phenomenon. But it is not a sensibility that I possess. Or perhaps I do but simply have no awareness it.

What I relate to more intimately is the concept of affekt, a quality that was very important to Bach. He believed in word painting and usually tried to convey texts accordingly. I believe Bach’s music can be appreciated in this regard whether you're an absolute Christian literalist, like a theist, or more like a deist, agnostic, or atheist who considers religion to be typical cultural mythology with sometimes edifying and other times not-so-edifying psychological meaning.

In “O Lamm Gottes, unschuldig” (“O Lamb of God, unguilty”), Bach seems to have painted the text very masterfully. The first couple of sections, for manuals alone, are very comforting and seem to convey serene gentleness and innocence. With the entrance of the augmented cantus firmus in the pedal, the next section becomes quite a bit more dramatic, as it is about wrongful accusation and victimization, actions that comprise one of this particular religion’s major themes.

YouTube has a video of Garrison Keillor giving a funny lecture at Harvard in which he mentions the legions of people in this world who feel “they haven't received their due.” The world is full of victims. Sometimes they are wrongfully accused, other times they simply never receive much credit for their sincere efforts to help make the world a better place.

Likewise, whether they’re overachievers or not, gays often do not receive their due for the good or impressive things they do. We all suspect why that is. Prejudice and hatred---two unnecessary things that, mercifully, seem to be diminishing, at least a little, in some places around the world. But I think most everyone has a pretty strong sense of victimhood in this world. We aim so high, try so hard, and sometimes achieve quite a lot---and for what? To be mocked, hated, or even harmed by “the confederacy of dunces” (Jonathan Swift’s words). Even John Lennon had a premonition he was going to be “crucified,” as he documented in one of his many brilliant lyrics.

The feeling of “not receiving one’s due” had to have been intense for a towering genius like Bach himself. The greatest composer the world has probably ever known was forced to teach Latin and math. That would be like Princeton forcing Einstein to teach P.E. classes. Moronic.

Then, just before the chromatic section, which represents the pain of suffering and death (of either the body or of ignorance), come the repeated-note triplets that sound almost like the mockers (soldiers) pounding nails through flesh on the cross. Yet that very nail-pounding occurs in the brightest sunshine of A major. It is so ecstatic that it foretells triumph, not defeat.

Like I said, whether you take the story literally or figuratively (mythologically), it is very thought-provoking. After the difficult transfiguration of the chromaticism comes an exultation celebrating the power of mercy and the ultimate glory of triumph.

On a personal level, the last section says to me that, if you're a creative artist, which many gays are, even if you never receive any accolade or remuneration for your work, at the very least you will have the ultimate spiritual reward that creativity brings in and of itself. You will have that satisfaction.

In the meantime, you can give credit where credit is due, rather than giving in to bitterness, disdain and mockery. You, too, can be merciful---and perhaps do your part to make the world a better place, rather than the shithole it often is.

From the way he plays this amazing piece of music, I believe Chapuis shares this view---or at least a fac simile thereof.

So this is just one for instance, one interp. There can be many more.
 
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I'm out of my depth now, I knew nothing of that.
How great do you think is the role of faith here? I tend to the view that the church makes use of talent that is already there. An exploiter rather than a catalyst.
In order to have cathedral organs there must be cathedrals. But the king of instruments also lives in secular venues. That he speaks with more majesty in his original consecrated home is down to the architecture.
 
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