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Air France's gay stewards rebel over flights to Iran

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First the Air France hostesses didn't want to wear veils when getting off the plane in Iran, now gay stewards don't want to go to a country where homosexuals could face the death penalty.

A steward from Air France has launched an online appeal against gay cabin members having to travel to Iran. It's titled: "Gay stewards from Air France don't want to fly to the death penalty in Iran".

"Sure, our sexuality isn't written on our passports and it doesn't change the way we work as a crew," wrote 'Laurent M' in an open letter to the French government and the CEO of Air France Frédéric Gagey.

"But it is inconceivable to force someone to go to a country where his kind are condemned for who they are."

The letter points out that homosexuality in Iran is illegal and comes with a penalty of 74 lashes for a minor, while adults can be given the death penalty.

A petition on site Change.org which calls for gay stewards not to work on the soon to re-open Paris to Tehran route has gained almost 2,000 signatures in the past few days.

The letter comes just one week after Air France hostesses and female pilots refused to fly on the Paris to Tehran route because they didn't want to be forced to wear a veil and loose trousers.

The airline eventually found a compromise with unions after the story gained international media attention. In the end, Air France accepted that stewardesses could refuse to work on the Tehran route without facing punishment.

Air France suspended flights to Iran in 2008 but is resuming the service next week after international sanctions on the Islamic Republic over its nuclear programme were lifted.

The company pointed out that the same headscarf rule was already in place when flying to certain destinations, such as Saudi Arabia, a country which also has the death penalty for anyone caught carrying out homosexual acts.

It remains unknown what effect the new petition will have, not least because it doesn't have the same backing from the Unac union, which was heavily involved in the fight of the stewardesses.

A spokesperson from the union told the Metro newspaper that the notion of Air France staff avoiding flights to Tehran "has been tackled for the entire aircrew, regardless of their gender or sexual orientation".

The paper noted, however, that Air France management has so far only allowed the choice to refuse journeys to Iran to hostesses, and not stewards.
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No company should be allowed to punish employees for refusing to put their lives in danger.

I hope Air France sees sense quickly on this, before anyone gets hurt.

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The problem is Islamic countries have like 3 punishments for everything: 39 lashes with a cat-o-nine-tails or until you bleed to death (which ever comes first), chop off this or that or the other or until you bleed to death (which ever comes first) & Death by beheading, stoning, thrown-from-great-heighting, hanging, beating or any other torturous or unimaginably painful means.

I believe, I could be wrong, but I believe adultery is pusnishable by death... that is for the woman, of course, because we all know heterosexual Muslim men are not responsible for the vile, carnal desires of lustful women.

I'm surprised women haven't boycotted flying to any Islamic controlled country because they are probably guilty of one death penalty crime or another. Gays don't have to be openly Gay... just looking at another man is enough... to be guilty of a capitol crime.

There comes a point where someone has to fly the damned planes and a few of those planes are gonna land in Muslim country at some point.

I wish all the flight attendants/stewards good luck in all their travels.

ps: I thought stewards and stewardesses were referred to as flight attendants these days so why does Air France call the male flight attendants 'stewards' and the female 'flight attendants'? Even that wreaks of some kinda discrimination to one or the other sexes. Doesn't it? :))
 
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Interesting that Iran is singled out.

What about Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, etc. etc.
 

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ps: I thought stewards and stewardesses were referred to as flight attendants these days so why does Air France call the male flight attendants 'stewards' and the female 'flight attendants'? Even that wreaks of some kinda discrimination to one or the other sexes. Doesn't it? :))

I imagine Air France actually used French words not English in the true quotes ;)

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Interesting that Iran is singled out.

What about Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, etc. etc.

It's a new flight starting, and, well, it's Iran - its been in the news a lot.

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Here is an interesting thought...

What if some AirFrance stewards decided they would no longer feel safe traveling to the USA. You could argue that the US have the death penalty, and you might be wrongly convicted of a murder! The state might execute an innocent steward! :thinking:

Or what about "extraordinary rendition" (kidnapping!) and US secret and not-so-secret TORTURE programs. What steward in their right mind would agree to enter the US. :thinking: You might laugh, but imagine for a second that you are a Muslim air steward...

There are about 40 million flights occuring every year! That's a lot of scope for protests. I'm sure there is some steward somewhere protesting about flights to e.g. Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates...

Well the one about Iran is being blasted across the media right now, with typical vigour, almost with a zeal. Why?

I would hate to think that human rights issues were being manipulated in order to create a pretext for an invasion.

Oh well, I suppose the air stewards can always take their case to the UN Human Rights council. Oh wait, head-chopping Saudi Arabia was promoted onto that council recently! Oops!
 

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Hard to believe that this type of thing is still happening in 2016.
 

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If All Cultures Are Equally Valid, Can Iran Kill Gay People?

If All Cultures Are Equally Valid, Can Iran Kill Gay People?
The Federalist | By M.G. Oprea | April 19, 2016

Gay Air France attendants want to be excused from working flights to Iran, because Iran applies the death penalty to gay people. It’s yet another exposure of multiculturalism’s contradictions.

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Air France is about to resume flights to Iran after an eight-year hiatus, and in an internal memo told their female flight attendants that when they deboard in Iran they must wear a headscarf to comply with Iranian laws. Not surprisingly, the French flight attendants revolted. They claimed this would seriously violate their right to the secularism that is so fundamental to the French state. In response, Air France agreed to allow them to opt out of working Iran-bound flights.

Now, another group of Air France employees is protesting the requirement that they work this new route. Gay male flight attendants have started a petition that would give themselves a similar option as their female colleagues. But their cause goes beyond a violation of their secular rights. In Iran, homosexuality is illegal, and not just in name only. The punishments range from several dozen lashes to the death penalty.

If these flight attendants deboard in Iran, they risk arrest and death. Would Iran jeopardize the recent diplomatic thaw by arresting a French citizen under these charges? Probably not, although after Iran seized 10 U.S. sailors in January it’s hard to say. But that isn’t the point.

The point is, while the West congratulates itself on the Obama administration’s diplomatic “achievement” vis-a-vis Iran, we are reminded that the Islamic theocracy has serious problems with human rights, especially regarding the gay community.

Multiculturalism’s Contradictions

Although there has been some outcry over Iran’s human rights record since the Iran nuclear deal, media organizations have, for the most part, downplayed it. They’re more engrossed in human interest stories that conform to their narrative that life in the Middle East is not so different from life in the West. This is, of course, an important message for us to hear, and we should encourage awareness of our similarities where they exist. But not at the expense of hiding our differences or dismissing systematic violations of human rights, and not to promote a progressive, utopic vision of multicultural bliss.

The fact is, there’s a persistent problem with multicultural ideology that sees evidence of injustice and discrimination everywhere at home, but turns a blind eye abroad.

Take, for example, women’s rights. In the United States, the Left sees bias, sexual harassment, and micro-aggressions against women around every corner. They have convinced themselves that men and women are paid radically different salaries, culminating in last Tuesday’s “equal pay day,” even though when looking only at earners who are not primary care-givers that difference all but disappears.

Meanwhile, in many Muslim countries, a woman must get a man’s permission before being allowed to work at all. This is because women are largely restricted to the “home sphere” as opposed to the “public” one. But a progressive will more or less give you the old “separate but equal” line to justify what they claim merely boils down to “cultural differences.”

There’s also a backlash against those who speak out on the issue. Ayaan Hirsi Ali was disinvited from Brandeis University for her views on women and Islam, and Mona Eltahawy’s article “Why Do They Hate Us?” sparked outrage from the Left.

How Multiculturalism Contradicts Freedom

The same hypocrisy is on display regarding gay rights in Muslim countries. While the hardships of being homosexual in these countries are sometimes reported in Western media, there is usually very little discussion of why countries that adhere to Islam persecute homosexuality. That Western media seems to have so little interest in this is surprising, given that more than 75 percent of people in Lebanon, Turkey, the Palestinian territories, Egypt, Jordan, and Tunisia don’t think society should accept homosexuality.

The West is skittish about criticizing any aspect of Islamic culture, regardless of how much it might fly in the face of progressive values, because the multicultural framework forbids it. If all cultures are equal, no culture can be criticized.

In academia, it’s pedestrian to see posters for talks on hyper-specific aspects of homosexuality in America and their attendant discriminations. Campus activism for LGBT rights is a hallmark of the academy. So is the promotion and defense of Muslim culture. But it’s rare to see any acknowledgement of how these two causes sometimes clash.

The Left Sacrifices Gay People to Islamists

As is the case with women’s rights, multiculturalism ends up winning out over the human rights of homosexuals in the Middle East. Progressives would prefer to avoid insulting the Muslim community abroad rather than point out that they have a systemic problem with how they view and treat homosexuality in their countries.

This hypocrisy is especially pronounced at a time when so many people who have invested in multiculturalism as a political philosophy and way of life are gnashing their teeth over the trans bathroom fight now raging across the country. Jimmy Buffett and Bruce Springsteen have even canceled their shows in North Carolina and Mississippi to object to what they see as a grave injustice.

How trivial and unimportant this must seem to a man in Iran who is about to be put to death for living with a male partner, or to the gay men living under ISIS or the al-Qaeda-backed al-Nusra Front, who are thrown off buildings and stoned to death. How little perspective this shows on the part of the Left.

I’m not arguing that all fights against discrimination at home are insignificant. But there should be some awareness of how focused we are on gay rights in the United States compared to what we are willing to brush aside in the name of tolerance when it comes to Muslim societies. We’re willing to chock it up to cultural differences—if we dare to bring it up at all.

So as we celebrate the “historic” nuclear deal, we ought to remember that all is not well in Iran. Air France employees, at least, are seeing it first-hand.

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All politicians of all persuasions sacrifice Gays for political expediency. Religious exemptions and outright discriminatory legislation at home and government approved, endorsed and encouraged violence and murder abroad are 'tolerated' for the sake of political careers.

This is why I support Bernie. He had the guts to openly call for Israel to treat the Palestinians with equality and respect. I hope he would make the same demands of Russia, China, India, Israel, The Vatican, Latin America and all of Africa and the Muslim countries of the world.

If I had my way all of those bastards would pay a price for their mistreatment and murder of Gays.

It just burns me up inside :angry:
 

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If I had my way, there would be no flights to or from any of these "nations" allowed...
 
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It's interesting that the second article mentions e.g. ISIS, and the al-Nusra Front. Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc. are funding and arming these groups. The article however fails to mention this.

Again, we must ask... what about Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, etc. etc. Head-chopping Saudi Arabia was recently even promoted onto the UN Human Rights Council!

It seems that it's one rule for Iran, and a different rule for these others.
 

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All politicians of all persuasions sacrifice Gays for political expediency. Religious exemptions and outright discriminatory legislation at home and government approved, endorsed and encouraged violence and murder abroad are 'tolerated' for the sake of political careers.

Not all - many, perhaps, but not all.

This is why I support Bernie. He had the guts to openly call for Israel to treat the Palestinians with equality and respect. I hope he would make the same demands of Russia, China, India, Israel, The Vatican, Latin America and all of Africa and the Muslim countries of the world.

This is why Clinton's "gay right are human rights and human rights are gay rights" policy is so important. The Obama administration have made this their policy, and that will only last as long as a Democrat is in power.

Yet another reason every gay person should support what ever Democrat gets the nomination when the general election rolls around.

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"Flight Attendant" is a U.S. fabrication. The terms "steward" and "stewardess" are still used in British English and therefore, most of the world outside of N. America.
 
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