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R€NTB0Y.C0M Raided and Shut Down

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Rentboy.com, the largest directory and referral service for male escorts and sex workers has been shut down, it's assets seized, and its officers arrested for promoting interstate prostitution.



CEO, 6 others from 'world's largest male escort site' arrested (CNN)

"I don't think that we do anything to promote prostitution," Hurant said. "I think we do good things for good people, and we bring good people together."

Before entering the site, visitors must acknowledge a disclaimer that reads, in part, "This site may not be used for the advertising of sexual services or to engage in activities requiring the payment of money for sex or other illegal activities."

But the U.S. Attorney's office said that disclaimer is a ruse, saying "Rentboy.com is designed primarily for advertising illegal prostitution."

"The facilitation and promotion of prostitution offenses across state lines and international borders is a federal crime made even more egregious when it's blatantly advertised by a global criminal enterprise," said Glenn Sorge, acting special agent in charge of Homeland Security Investigations.

Well, there are your DHS tax dollars at work

Why the Feds Just Busted Gay Escort Site RentBoy.com (Daily Beast)

The subscription-based website—rates range from $59.95 to $299.95 a month—lists thousands of paid advertisements describing the physical appearance (height, weight, penis size) and sexual preferences (position, fetishes) of thousands of working men.

Often times, they include sexually explicit videos and photographs with their hourly, or nightly, rate. It’s teeming with porn stars and industry hopefuls. Previous clients are even able to rate their sexual satisfaction.

But by offering “companionship” instead of “sex” and outlying their “Terms of Services”...the company has lived in legal grey area that has previously prevented them from being classified as prostitution.

“The difference between escorting and prostitution is that a prostitute offers sex for money, whereas an escort offers time for money,” Duncan Black one of the site’s escorts told The Daily Beast last year.


“If you were to book me, you wouldn’t be booking me for a specific sexual act—you’d just be booking me for my time. We could go to dinner, or for a walk, or just hang out and talk… or, y’know. Other things can happen, too!”

Whether or not physical intimacy is involved is superfluous, because these clients are paying for the time, not the sex. The distinction has kept Black—and thousand of others escorts and clients—grounded on the right side of the law, even when sex is what they are typically known for.

Since 2006, RentBoy has recognized the physical attributes and sexual talents of their most popular escorts at the Annual International Escort Awards, aka “the Hookies.” They’ve doled out awards for “best boyfriend fantasy,” “best dressed/style” and “best cock.”

Last year, when The Daily Beast, profiled Black who was up for two of these awards—“Best Newcomer” and “Best Ass”—and is exclusively signed with one of the Internet’s biggest gay porn studios, CockyBoys, he insisted that the only service he has ever offered was his time, not sex.

“I’m not a hooker,” he asserted, before describing some seemingly innocent situations with clients in which he describes as “social service.”

“I’ve had clients tell me about their coming-out stories, how if it weren’t for escorts, that they’d have probably committed suicide,” he said. “They don’t have someone to talk to, but with escorts, they can talk about their sexuality and their feelings.”

But not all of the escorts are as coy about their profession. Some know that’s exactly what clients want and sees the value in the commodity without fear or the escort-or-prostitute.

Fellow RentBoy escorts Raj and Viktor Belmont emphasized to Mic that their “jobs empower people to enjoy sex more and be less ashamed of their innate desires,” Belmont said in an article titled “7 Surprising Things We Can Learn About Sex and Intimacy from Professional Sex Workers.”

But by offering “companionship” instead of “sex” and outlying their “Terms of Services” to include that “this site may not be used for the advertising of sexual services or to engage in activities requiring the payment of money for sex or other illegal activities,” the company has lived in legal grey area that has previously prevented them from being classified as prostitution.
 

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Some thoughts:
  • RentBoy.com eliminated the middleman, i.e. pimps. In doing that they took away the most coercive, violent force out of sex work. Eliminating RentBoy puts the pimps(plus mafia and gangs) back into power.
  • They turned sex workers from commodities, (interchangeable cogs in a machine; one as good as any other), and made them each their own brand with ratings and reviews. Again, they gave the power to the escorts to advance with their reputations and price their time accordingly.
  • Finally, I don't understand why the RentBoy owners would incorporate / operate out of New York, where prostitution is illegal, instead of Las Vegas where it is legal. It seems they could have reduced their risk considerably by doing that.

Here is Matt Baume's take, which I think is thoughtful.

 
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I don't get outraged much, but this? I'm outraged!

The Department of Homeland Security is doing this? Rentboys are not terrorists. They are escorts.
Rentboys and other sites have made escorting safer, more legit, more mainstream. The vast majority of transactions are between consulting adults, doing what they do. A win for everyone.

I don't understand why.
Concern about sex trafficking? A problem, but nothing to do with gay escorts.
Escorts avoiding income taxes? A fair issue, but solve it in a reasonable way.
Powerful people caught in escort scandals? Maybe. But that has always been.

Is there any justification for this? I will wait and see.
 
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good bye rentboys, long live handsome male masseurs :rofl:
 

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This is bad... Now closet-case Republicans will have to go back to molesting teenage Senate page boys...
 

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I wonder what this will do to the porn business.

Porn doesn't pay much anymore, but is great advertisement if you want to escort. But if neither business is viable anymore...
 

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While I am not sure I agree to the laws, they are certainly there. And when a site is called "Rentboys" and advertises escorts, the statement that the site does not promote prostitution is kind of... hilarious.
"bring good people together" while making profit from them breaking the law is kind of a lame excuse...

Clarification on the comment on the above: RentBoy's business is just putting up escort ads and providing the mechanism for reviews, ratings, and contact. The escorts pay per month to have their ads there. They are like the Yellow Pages. The "customers" do not register and pay nothing. No money changes hands between escorts and customers on the site, so RB does not extract a "cut" (say, like iTunes and eBay do). Their business is just putting up the ads. It's is a free service for anyone to come and browse. If illegal things are happening, they are not profiting from them.
 

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I wonder what this will do to the porn business.

Porn doesn't pay much anymore, but is great advertisement if you want to escort. But if neither business is viable anymore...

Well, if one site "rentboy com" gets shut down, new sites like "rentboy net" or rentboy org" take their place and they do that rather soon usually. :D
 

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It's not "agreeing to moral standards" if you choose your method in a way to try to fit in the legal system/laws/common laws to avoid problems.

Morals, justice and laws are different things.
 

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Exactly, they make money from connecting those people. Those people are only interested to connect, because they will make illegal things happen. So how don't they make profit from the illegal activity, when they take the money generated by it?

That assumes that the only reason this site existed was to do illegal things.

I'd say that argument is grey at best. The company can rightly argue that their TOS disallowed illegal activities, and the government can then in turn argue that the company should have done more to fight abuses of their TOS. That argument is not clear-cut IMO, it could go either way.

If someone posts an illegal video on YouTube, against YouTube's TOS, does that make YouTube criminal? Obviously not. But, if 90% of videos on YouTube were to be illegal, then you could argue YouTube is being criminal for not upholding their TOS.

IMO the big problem is the law, not the enforcement of the law.

It is well know that making prostitution illegal does the exact opposite of the stated reason it is illegal - it HARMS sex workers, it does not protect them.

In the same way that it is now obvious that the war on drugs is a failed policy that is making things worse instead of better, I would argue that the ban on prostitution is making things worse instead of better.

Maybe this bust will open the debate on changing the law, that would be a good outcome.

It's not up to law enforcement to change laws - that's what legislatures are for!

B.
 

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it sucks, but that site was sooo a front for prostitution. There is a difference between a prostitute and an escort, in that escorts aren't expected to have sex with the customer. And you know pretty damn well that when people are shelling out hundreds to thousands of dollars for a few hours with their favorite pornstars on Rent Boy sex is what they're expecting....the fact that so many of the escorts had "overnight fees" on their profile pretty much makes it clear exactly what the site was being used for.
 

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it sucks, but that site was sooo a front for prostitution.

And that's a bad thing because...?

Prostitution is not a federal crime. It's local. For example it's legal in Nevada and Rhode Island. It's just not legal in New York.

We have been trying to get sex workers legalized, with health care, and out of the hands of the pimps, mafia, and gangs. RB.com was a big step in the right direction.
 

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BIG GOVERNMENT....the demoRATS keep pushing for.

That kind of thought-free hate-filled language is not helpful. How much attention would you give to someone who used a hateful word like "repugnatican"?

This is a LOCAL law, not a federal law, so 'big government' has nothing to do with it.

Also - is "hard on crime" not an infinitely more republican idea? Laws are there to be upheld and all that?

Also also - do you think a ban on prostitution is the kind of thing your average modern republican would be for or against?

B.
 
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Interesting 6 minute mini documentary of one of RentBoy.com's advertisers.

 
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OK that is good, :thumbs up: but now I REALLY want to know what those last three messages said! :rofl:
 
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I Was on RentBoy for a Time

That was back when I had just turned 18. It was about three or four months after that though I had known about the site for quite a while. Yes, I knew what the site was for, and what the "clients" were really looking for as well. It was a way for guys to meet other guys for sex. I mean what do you expect when you put your dick size on your profile and say whether your a top or bottom. I really don't think that guys wanted to know that just for general conversation or an ice breaker.

What I liked about RentBoy was that there was no middle man. There was no pimp. You worked for yourself and whatever money you made was yours. Yea there was the monthly fee to the website for advertising, but that was just a cost of doing business. And probably 80% of the men that I met through that site I did end up having sex with.

But there was the 20% that really did just want an escort while they were in the city. These were generally guys that were in from out of state who were here for a night or two, they were on their own, and wanted someone to show them some of the sites around the city. I took guys to Venice Beach, The Walk of Fame, & Rodeo Drive. I took guys to baseball games at Dodger Stadium and the The Big A. Even took a few guys to their first nude beach experience.

The biggest part that I liked about it, and other sites like Craigslist, where you have to be a little more caution on your ad so it doesn't get flagged, is that there is no pimp. I have seen way too many people, men and women, boys and girls, that work for pimps who get treated like crap if not outright abused, don't get even half the take on a job, and then can't leave the pimp when they want to. Pimping is by far the most dangerous part of the job. I'm fortunate that I never worked for one. Though back then I was kinda like the "leader" of a small group, but that was only to give them some sort of protection, someone they could come to for help, or pick them up if they got stranded on a job. But I never took one cent from them.

What we really need to do is to get rid of the pimps, and RentBoy was a great way to do that. All that the shut down of RentBoy did was possibly put people back into the hands on pimps. Do you even THINK that we are going to get rid of prostitution if the joke goes that it is the world's oldest profession? Forget about making the profession illegal, how about just safe for the people that work it.

It was a great way for me to make a lot of money doing what I enjoy doing. Prostitution and Abortion have to be in the top five things that really piss me off about society. It is MY fucking body, and I should be able to do what I want to with it. I can get tatted and pierced until you can't see the real me and I set off every metal detector on the planet and nobody says that is illegal. But the minute that I want to have sex and get paid for that, OMG send up the red flares!! :angry:

And abortion: All these people running around saying save the children but have no idea about the family that they are trying to "save" the baby from. Until these anti-abortion groups can drop a cool quarter million dollars into a bank account to support each of those babies they "save" then shut the fuck up! I guarantee you that they won't be there to support that kid after they have been born.

OK, I'm going to get off my little soap box now.

~Ryan
 
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