More teen boys in Europe attack Gays/Jews/etc.

See:
14 Year Old Admits Gay Bashing in UK
http://anonym.to/?http://www.gayagenda.com/2010/05/14-year-old-admits-gay-bashing-in-uk/

"The teen and up to six others attacked a 19 year old gay student in November of last year in Liverpool’s city centre. The group of boys followed the student for a while on Lord Street before punching him from behind. He was repeatedly punched in the face and was left with cuts, bruises and a broken nose.
Anti-gay insults were shouted at the student, who was targeted and attacked by the group for wearing ’flamboyant’ clothes."

And it's not just the UK:
See:
Dutch police use 'decoy Jews' to stop anti-Semitic attacks
http://anonym.to/?http://www.telegr...-decoy-Jews-to-stop-anti-Semitic-attacks.html

"Jews in at least six Amsterdam neighbourhoods often cannot cross the street wearing a skullcap without being insulted, spat at or even attacked," according to local reports."

"Amsterdam police already disguise officers as "decoy prostitutes, decoy gays and decoy grannies" in operations to deter street muggings and attacks on homosexuals or the city's red light district."

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It seems to me that dress is a factor --if you dress flamboyantly you 'look gay', or if you wear a skullcap, you become a target.

More and more attacks are being perpetrated by young teenage boys across Europe. A group of Jews were stoned in Germany (Hanover) recently --I think the youngest stone-thrower was 14. Or to attack old people --it is sick.

What is happening to young boys? Why are they doing these things? What is going through their heads?

This is precisely the reason why I never liked gay activism in a shape of parades and so on. In our country violence against gays also increased in recent years. Whoever I talked to after parade, said gays were provoking. OK I won't say gay activist are guilty of everything. Of course there are other reasons why violence is on the rise but it's an issue to think about.

One of the reasons of raising violence (in general) could also be in more and more controlling society which wants to infiltrate to all segments of personal life with an intention of final depersonalization. Youth is especially sensitive about that. And the answer is they rebel. Not always in a constructive but also in a destructive way. Someone here already mentioned Pink Floyd. I made a search. They were really making some good points in their songs.

And we must not forget that the newspapers need their daily food - the more explosive news they sell, more money they earn. But reality is not necessarily so dramatic as sold by the news.

I agree with you. The society's attitude towards young generation varied a lot in recent century. First it was very harsh, today it's very liberal. Almost frightened of youth. I didn't even know there was a special term for this, called ephebiphobia.

There's little balance needed in all this so we won't go back to the beginning of 20th century again. I don't believe that disguised officers as "decoy prostitutes" can solve the problem. It's a global problem - but it is the result of global - I would call it - children over-protection hysteria. Children need to be protected - but with reason so you don't achieve exactly the opposite.

Integritas0 said:

So.... what are we to do? Nothing? Hide?

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Wait, weren't you the one who basically told the two girls who wanted to go to Prom together as a couple that they should exactly do that - hide?

"Society is not perfect --for example how many gay couples would walk down ANY highstreet anywhere on the planet holding hands for all too see? It upsets people... so why not just go to a prom as 'friends'... later in the night when everyone is drunk you can hold hands, snog, whatever... but to make a deliberate, point, a display... it isn't necessary."

Oh, it wasn't an effort at all, I remembered that old thread all too well cause it was the reason I stayed absent from the forum for a few months, it angered me too much.

You say: "The victims discussed in the OP were simply going about their everyday life."

Which is exactly what "going to the Prom" is for teenage girls. I don't get your reasoning why they should have hid.

And as for Gay Pride Parades - I don't go to them, but everyone has parades. Carnival, Mardi Gras, Cinco de Mayo, Fourth of July, St Patrick's Day, Town Festivals, the Love Parade. And saying that gays shouldn't have parades cause they provoke violence with them is like saying women are asking for sex when they wear short skirts.

Sorry, that got mixed up. The first part of my post was meant for you (and you didn't answer it).

The part about the gay parades was re: LuiM's This is precisely the reason why I never liked gay activism in a shape of parades and so on. In our country violence against gays also increased in recent years. Whoever I talked to after parade, said gays were provoking.
I should have made that clearer.

You didn't get my point, now did you? Going to the Prom "just as friends" like you suggested is hiding. Personal life is personal and should stay so, sure, but that should not mean to hide your love from the world. Going to a prom together or holding hands in public is not gay activism, it's a human need.

Also, I'm not impressed with your Hamlet-knowledge. It's just hiding behind mockery.

But it's the same topic actually - not the violence against Jews and Senior Citizens, of course, but Violence against Homosexuals and the people not accepting them go in hand in hand. I just don't understand how you can say in some threads that "It's just not THAT bad being gay for 99.99% of gay people." and "gay guys have better rights (in my country they are basically 99% equal... no one wants to admit that, but it's true --time to stop being victims!)" and then speak about gay bashing in this thread and how you wouldn't dare to hold hands with a man in Dublin (which I actually did when I visited Dublin with my boyfriend in May). I'm just trying to understand you, no harm intended, cause it all seems so contradicting to me that I never know how you really feel and that makes it so frustrating for me to discuss anything with you.

I don't have to google it, I know what you're talking about. It doesn't change the fact that your posts confuse me cause they're contradictory to your previous posts. It's not a trick and if it was, how would talking about me procrastinating any different since that is something I said in a completely different thread. These threads don't exist in a vaccuum, so it's fair to bring up old posts again, especially if it's only meant to help me unterstand your points. Like I said, I intend no harm, this is no trick or practice cause I don't have an agenda in this discussion, but obviously you have no intention of explaining anything.

put the 14 y/o along with his mates in a hardened jail for a few nights
im sure come the morning their attitude will be soon adjusted and pounded right out of em. lets c em beat each other up afterwards lol

Integritas0 said:

You also seem to have a problem seeing the difference between humour and friendliness on the one hand, and seriousness on the other hand. This has been pointed out to you before --but not by me!

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It actually was the other way round. And how is mentioning it now not quote-mining on your part?

I give up. I really, really wanted to discuss this (and I think this topic is anything but trivial), but if all you're interested in is just linking me to your porn uploads, I see no point. I'm outta here.

Speaking of the attacks - the most important to me is that we wouldn't attack each other.

Young males are exposed to a great deal of violence in their early years (from corrupt adults and peers), and sometimes they are encouraged, by society, to lash this out at the weaker scapegoats that right wing politics point to. This, however, is not "new," though the banking industry destroying the world economy fires up a lot of social tensions. There should not be "stronger punishments" but help for emotionally troubled young people, and a wide platform of children's rights, gay rights, and economic rights to a living wage job in good conditions for all.

Raisinboy makes some really good points. That's all I have to say because these threads are so unwelcoming to diverse opinions.

It is kind of disheartening when you spend a lot of time trying to verbalize a coherent version of your opinion only to be me with a response telling you to go jack off.

With that in mind, here's my short opinion on the main topics that got mentioned in this thread.

Prom: It's an event which is inherently related to romance/relationships. Thus, there is no reason why one should feel that the choice of a romantic interest is irrelevant.

Parades: I'm not much of a parader myself. But I definitely disagree with anybody who says that we should avoid parades because they provoke violence. As we saw here, even the smallest differences of opinion create controversy. Trying to avoid that is foolish. Even worse, it's essentially advocating the eradication of non-official or unpopular opinions.

Youth: I don't think the current youth generation is particularly bad. I think that mainly, the image is exacerbated by journalistic sensationalism and the economic downturn. There's always a divide between generations. The inappropriate gangster rap of today is yesterday's rock and roll.
Teenage males throughout history certainly seem to be more susceptible to violence, gangs, drugs, etc. I don't think now is really any significantly worse than in other time.