Elliot Rodger-Santa Barbara killer gay?

[cammikun]

According to wikipedia, Elliot Rodger died a virgin. My mom says he sounded
gay. Not sure what gay sounds like. So what do you think? Was he a closet
case with a Glock?

 

[bigsal]

Probably we will never know.
The amazing thing is that of the psychopaths can circulate in the U.S. with deadly weapons, and all with the approval of the constitution. This is really absurd.

 

[cammikun]

Probably we will never know.
The amazing thing is that of the psychopaths can circulate in the U.S. with deadly weapons, and all with the approval of the constitution. This is really absurd.

And even though there are a huge number of people in the US who know that there is no place for guns in society, the constitution protects our rights to carry military assault weapons down the street.

 

[brmstn69]

And do you seriously think that making guns illegal will stop these criminals? They are already planning mass murder, like a weapons charge means anything to them?
All a total ban will accomplish is creating a huge black-market. A black market that will attract the most ruthless criminals and escalate the violence. I give you the "War On Drugs" and the cartels it created as prof...

And must I remind you that the very reason for the right to keep and bear arms is to give the citizens of the U.S. the ability to rise up against the government if it ever becomes too oppressive, like RUSSIA, North Korea or NAZI Germany for instance...

 

[haiducii]

The amazing thing is that of the psychopaths can circulate in the U.S. with deadly weapons, and all with the approval of the constitution. This is really absurd.

The gun lobby in America is too powerful for the gun laws to be changed any time soon!!! btw, approx 30,000 Americans die as a result of gun related violence every year. I know it's not easy to understand the American obsession with guns...

 

[cammikun]

And do you seriously think that making guns illegal will stop these criminals? They are already planning mass murder, like a weapons charge means anything to them?
All a total ban will accomplish is creating a huge black-market. A black market that will attract the most ruthless criminals and escalate the violence. I give you the "War On Drugs" and the cartels it created as prof...

And must I remind you that the very reason for the right to keep and bear arms is to give the citizens of the U.S. the ability to rise up against the government if it ever becomes too oppressive, like RUSSIA, North Korea or NAZI Germany for instance...

Gandhi, MLK, Aung San Suu Kyi, Mandela, ACT UP, Lech Walesa and Malala Yousafzai are all examples of how to fight injustice without a gun. America already has the most ruthless criminals and violence. When I lived in Tokyo, my neighbors didn't bother to lock doors because they had no fear. I pray the US will return to a time when people can walk at night and leave their doors unlocked without fear. The only route to that kind of social trust is to get rid of guns.

 

[tonka]

Another facet of this is the ineffectiveness of mental healthcare.

The pattern of these incidents is not from someone without access to mental health care. The pattern is of a young man, from an upscale demographic, who has been in treatment. Wealthy, educated families.
We really don't yet know how to effectively treat many mental health issues.

That ...along with the easy access to deadly weapons...along with the strong tradition of individual liberty in America...has become a deadly mix.

 

[garth33]

The gun lobby in America is too powerful for the gun laws to be changed any time soon!!! btw, approx 30,000 Americans die as a result of gun related violence every year. I know it's not easy to understand the American obsession with guns...

It is an odd obsession. Not a gun nut but I own guns...rifles and shotguns I used for hunting when I was a kid and now keep just because I have them but I have no plans to give them up either. This sick weirdo also drove a BMW - I guess if he didn't have a gun he could have just run over as many people or more if he wanted too with his luxury car. Should we ban cars then too? The problem is the individual and their mental illness - not the tools they use to hurt people.

 

[haiducii]

It is an odd obsession. Not a gun nut but I own guns...

The National Rifle Association spent a record $3.4 million lobbying the federal government last year.

And yes, I know that it's easier for Americans to access guns than mental health services. BUT the combination of a lack of available mental health combined with easy access to firearms means that this going to continually reoccur.

 

[topdog]

According to wikipedia, Elliot Rodger died a virgin. My mom says he sounded
gay. Not sure what gay sounds like. So what do you think? Was he a closet
case with a Glock?

If he was gay, then access to sex would NOT have been a problem. Even a closeted narcissistic misogynistic psychopath can score on Grindr, not to mention bars, parks, beaches, and university men's rooms. Being closeted is not the same thing as being celibate.

And if he was gay and out, he would have had an even longer line of guys ready to hit on the cute twink with the BMW. Maybe he wasn't boyfriend material, but there are plenty of men willing to sample the merchandise.

He was cursed with being straight. Unfortunately for him, I think most women probably find the psychopath thing a dealbreaker.

 

[tonka]

It is an odd obsession. Not a gun nut but I own guns...rifles and shotguns I used for hunting when I was a kid and now keep just because I have them but I have no plans to give them up either. This sick weirdo also drove a BMW - I guess if he didn't have a gun he could have just run over as many people or more if he wanted too with his luxury car. Should we ban cars then too? The problem is the individual and their mental illness - not the tools they use to hurt people.

But that's not what's been happening. This incident, and Colorado, and Connecticut, and many others...it's guns. That's the choice because guns are made for killing. That's what they do.
Cars are made for driving. Yes, there is the occasional incident of auto murder. It seems to be mostly women running over men...at least in my news stories.

America has these horrible incidents regularly. Other western, developed countries do not. Are we that much crazier? I'm not sure, but I expect not.

It's the guns. That's what sets up apart.

 

[brmstn69]

Rampage killers are hardly an American phenomenon...

http://anon.projectarchive.net/?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

Of particular interest is Asia, where the vast majority of incidents involved melee weapons (knives, axes, clubs, etc.) and vehicles but no firearms.

Oh, and then there's the "Cologne school massacre" in Germany, where Walter Seifert killed 10 and injured 22 using a homemade flamethrower.

Personally I'd rather eat a bullet than burn. But the point is that a sick mind intent on evil will find a way and lack of a gun won't stop them...

 

[cammikun]

If he was gay, then access to sex would NOT have been a problem. Even a closeted narcissistic misogynistic psychopath can score on Grindr, not to mention bars, parks, beaches, and university men's rooms. Being closeted is not the same thing as being celibate.

And if he was gay and out, he would have had an even longer line of guys ready to hit on the cute twink with the BMW. Maybe he wasn't boyfriend material, but there are plenty of men willing to sample the merchandise.

He was cursed with being straight. Unfortunately for him, I think most women probably find the psychopath thing a dealbreaker.

Well said! A gold star for best answer!

 

[cammikun]

@topdog
You are right that for most women being a psychopath is a deal breaker.
For some of us it is just a fetish!

 

[ritsuka]

He said he wanted to #KillAllMen in his manifestos, so no, he wasn't gay, and yes, he hated men too, like the males that he murdered in his massacre. And no, you still don't have a fucking right to use the word "men" as your personal four letter word. #WhoTheFuckCaresAboutYourToxicTwitterIdenitityPolitics?

And yes, gun control is constitutional and has been internationally proven to make people safer, so bring it on. Australia banned assault weapons decades ago, and it WORKED!!

 

[luvmuslmen]

If he was gay, then access to sex would NOT have been a problem. Even a closeted narcissistic misogynistic psychopath can score on Grindr, not to mention bars, parks, beaches, and university men's rooms. Being closeted is not the same thing as being celibate.

And if he was gay and out, he would have had an even longer line of guys ready to hit on the cute twink with the BMW. Maybe he wasn't boyfriend material, but there are plenty of men willing to sample the merchandise.

He was cursed with being straight. Unfortunately for him, I think most women probably find the psychopath thing a dealbreaker.

And even though there are a huge number of people in the US who know that there is no place for guns in society, the constitution protects our rights to carry military assault weapons down the street.

I'm sorry, but that is absolutely wrong. The NRA and gun rights extremists would have everyone believe that , but they ALWAYS leave out the beginning of the amendment, which says: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed". At NRA headquarters, their plaque states ... "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed". How convenient to leave out the part that shows true intent of the Amendment, i.e., maintaining a free country.

At the time of the writing of the Constitution, all men in the country were REQUIRED to be members of the militia, what is today the National Guard. So, they were therefore required to own a gun. But, that changed as the country was no longer under threat of reconquest by the British. Moreover, the Supreme Court has ruled, on numerous occasions, that arms could be regulated. Only in recent years, with the hyper partisan right wing Supreme Court Justices, has this been partially reversed. There is no "absolute" right to any of the 10 Amendments to the Bill of Rights. Even the right to free speech, in the First Amendment is not absolute. There is no right to incitement to violence, for instance. You can't yell the proverbial "fire" in a crowded theater, either, and so on.

 

[cammikun]

@luvmuslmen I enjoyed reading your reply. While guns are regulated to an extent in the US, its pretty pathetic compared most other countries that have a working government. I can get 15 guns in a couple of days. All I have to do is have the money and not have a felony conviction. I can then take my gun to a department store and do my shopping in peace.

http://anon.projectarchive.net/?htt...ing-becomes-latest-open-carry-battlefront.ece

Now of course as the Daily Show points out ....

http://anon.projectarchive.net/?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXqgL-8eoAg

You really don't want to try this out if you are a black (or latino) male.

You can argue the intent of the Constitution, but as the signers are all dead,
we need to concentrate more on what can be done now.