Is Osama really dead?

[crew32]

I heard he's in West Hollywood.

 

[Tjerk12]

The "Bin Ladens" will never die. The only thing we can do is improving the standard of living in the poor countries and bring more justice into the world, maybe they get fewer supporters.

 

[tiggertoo]

That photo is more photoshopped than the celeb fakes we normally spank to! How any "journalist" could report that as a legitimate photo is way beyond me.

really? WTF, how do you know this for sure? did you dissect the digital file of the pic to see if enhancements had been made or are you just repeating the same crap and stupid lies that others invented? Osama nutjob was not that well-liked anymore by his terrorist buddies - how else do you think a commando team could so easily get into the compound where Bin Laden was living? The USA still has some power and guts, we just need to use them a lot more.

 

[topdog]

really? WTF, how do you know this for sure?

I know for sure that the pic is fake because it was circulating on the web over a year ago. Then after OBL was killed people Googled and suddenly "discovered" it all over again.

 

[ritsuka]

It obviously doesn't matter if he's dead; the Bushes, Obamas, and Clintons of this world will still use him as an excuse to terrorize, plunder, and murder innocent civilians in muslim countries; they now have control of the "Bin Laden" brand, and it's raking in a lot of cash for the war profiteers, as it always has. Leon Penetta recently stated publicly, "we will never stop fighting," which is great, because endless war and violence solves all problems!

 

[tiggertoo]

I know for sure that the pic is fake because it was circulating on the web over a year ago. Then after OBL was killed people Googled and suddenly "discovered" it all over again.

sorry, cant buy into that simply because the pic shows up again. millions of idiots post stuff the web, so maybe one or more of them is screwing with you and other peep. he's dead, if not he or his moron buddies would be crowing like crazy to rub that in Obama's face. that Osama dude never missed sending out press releases and claiming dirty deeds done, so why stop now unless he is really dead.

 

[tiggertoo]

It obviously doesn't matter if he's dead; the Bushes, Obamas, and Clintons of this world will still use him as an excuse to terrorize, plunder, and murder innocent civilians in muslim countries

well if you claim they are innocent I claim they are guilty of hiding and protecting terrorists and that makes them legit targets. so maybe if all those peep you claim are innocent REALLY are, they will give it up and kick their terrorist buddies and brothers and all out the door and let those guys face the music - only cowards hide behind women and children, making them targets. haven't seen that happening yet, dont expect it to either. but - am waiting to be surprised.

 

[gb2000ie]

well if you claim they are innocent I claim they are guilty of hiding and protecting terrorists and that makes them legit targets. so maybe if all those peep you claim are innocent REALLY are, they will give it up and kick their terrorist buddies and brothers and all out the door and let those guys face the music - only cowards hide behind women and children, making them targets. haven't seen that happening yet, dont expect it to either. but - am waiting to be surprised.

So you are responsible for all the acts of your government? Everything that happens in your country makes you fair game? Really?

I think you're setting up a double standard that no one can live up to. I don't know what nation you call home, but I promise you it's done horrible things, and that hence, by your own 'logic' I could send over a remote control plane and bomb you into a million pieces because you're a 'valid target'.

You think you can overthrow authoritarian regimes just like that? You think Iran is still a dictatorship because the people all like it that way? That the Taliban were in power in Afghanistan because the people all wanted them there an supported their extremism? I sure hope you're not naive or stupid enough to really believe that.

Seriously, you need to stop and think before posting self-righteous drivel like this, it reflects very poorly on you.

B.

 

[gb2000ie]

sorry, cant buy into that simply because the pic shows up again. millions of idiots post stuff the web, so maybe one or more of them is screwing with you and other peep. he's dead, if not he or his moron buddies would be crowing like crazy to rub that in Obama's face. that Osama dude never missed sending out press releases and claiming dirty deeds done, so why stop now unless he is really dead.

Erm - Topdog is not claiming he is still alive, he's just stating the blindingly obvious, THE PIC IS A FAKE!

That fact proves nothing, one way or another, about whether or not Bin Laden is dead, but it is none the less TRUE!

B.

 

[tiggertoo]

Erm - Topdog is not claiming he is still alive, he's just stating the blindingly obvious, THE PIC IS A FAKE!

That fact proves nothing, one way or another, about whether or not Bin Laden is dead, but it is none the less TRUE!

B.

okay, so the pic has been altered, but its all random opinion as to how much alteration, by whom and so on. the question was about OBL being dead and the inference that he was not dead came from mentioning the pic. all that does is make a fools circle of non logic. dead is dead, and the pic proves that he looked ugly in any state.

 

[gb2000ie]

okay, so the pic has been altered, but its all random opinion as to how much alteration, by whom and so on.

No it isn't!

Either someone has invented a time machine, or the pic is an out and out fake. There is no other alternative! How exactly could a pic that is no a fake have been in wide circulation a year BEFORE he was actually shot in the face?

B.

 

[deltic]

no. no one one saw him get " buried " no one saw him get shot..

 

[bite6996]

i agree - no once saw him buried so how do we know he's still alive?

 

[topdog]

no. no one one saw him get " buried " no one saw him get shot..

No one? That's news to me.

Which begs the question, if a terrorist shoots himself and then jumps into the ocean when no one was looking, is he really dead?

Which also brings up the question if no one raided the Bin Laden compound in Pakistan, why is Paksitan so completely pissed at us? ("Ha ha. You Americans pretend to invade compound on Pakistani soil, we'll pretend to be mad it. [wink wink]")

And, tiggertoo, read the whole thread - I think I have been very clear and consistent on the liklihood of OBL's ultimate demise. Others, of course, are free to conspire away.

As for photo - don't feel bad; the New York Post and other assorted papers published it after the President's announcement, thinking that they had a "scoop". (Don't get me started on the sorry state of journalism today.) I think this demonstrates that when people see something that they want to believe, they tend not to question what they are seeing.

Google "Osama bin Laden dead photo hoax" and reach your own conclusion about the authenticity of the photo.

Cheers!

 

[tiggertoo]

No it isn't!

Either someone has invented a time machine, or the pic is an out and out fake. There is no other alternative! How exactly could a pic that is no a fake have been in wide circulation a year BEFORE he was actually shot in the face?

B.

hey I like the time machine option, is it available online? seriously, the alteration is now history, okay fine. but it has nothing to do with the fact that he was shot, and that Pakistan is royally pissed at us for pulling off that coup

On another point, I think you have the prob of your own statements reflecting badly upon yourself, as it seems like you kinda support terrorism? or maybe the lack of action against them? some of those morons do hide behind women and children and collateral damage is unfortunate but impossible to stop if we are trying to kill those terrorists (who try to kill us). nothing to do with a government decision, those bozos just use family and friendship connections to pressure innocents into sheltering them. too bad so sad for the not-so-innocents, since they know damn well what those terrorists are doing.

 

[gb2000ie]

no. no one one saw him get " buried " no one saw him get shot..

That argument gets more stupid with every day that goes by without a new Bin Laden video. It also begs the question, if he's not dead, why did Al Queda appoint a new leader?

As for 'no one' that doesn't add up either, people shot him, people carried his body, people did a post mortem, people did a DNA test, people performed the burial rituals, and people buried him. None of those people are you or me, but that does not mean 'no one'.

Hang on to your conspiracy theory if you like, but 5 years from now, you'll have realised the truth, or be seen in the same light as those nuts who think Elvis is still knocking about.

B.

 

[gb2000ie]

On another point, I think you have the prob of your own statements reflecting badly upon yourself, as it seems like you kinda support terrorism?

Are you mixing me up with someone else? I've never supported murder or violence, EVER! Please, show me what I've written that supports terrorism, because I don't believe such a thing exists.

or maybe the lack of action against them? some of those morons do hide behind women and children and collateral damage is unfortunate but impossible to stop if we are trying to kill those terrorists (who try to kill us).

I'm against ALL murder, not just murder of westerners. Nothing sickens me more than justifying the slaughter of our fellow human being under the clinical term "collateral damage", and to reduce the death of people from the tragedy it is to merely being 'unfortunate' is pretty sick too.

nothing to do with a government decision, those bozos just use family and friendship connections to pressure innocents into sheltering them. too bad so sad for the not-so-innocents, since they know damn well what those terrorists are doing.

That is sick. Purely sick. Those people could be your family and friends. Yes, they are a far away, and yes they believe in a different God to you, but they are JUST LIKE YOU! It's only by an accident of birth that you're not over there now unfortunately finding yourself as part of the collateral damage.

I really think you have no idea what it's like to live under tyranny, the whole POINT of tyrannical governments is that they are set up to oppress and to force the people into doing what they are told, and to strip them of all power and voice. They are no more to blame for the actions of their unelected governments than the girls sold into prostitution are responsible for the actions of their pimps. You're happy to kill victims as collateral damage, and think that's nothing more than 'too bad so sad', that's revolting, and implies to me that you are deeply racist, you can't possibly see those people as human, or could couldn't say things like that.

B.

 

[tiggertoo]

Are you mixing me up with someone else? I've never supported murder or violence, EVER! Please, show me what I've written that supports terrorism, because I don't believe such a thing exists.

You sure do like to call people names when they disagree and present other POV than yours. and BTW, all you have to do is complain about innocent people dying and blame that on the forces trying to subdue terrorists, and you are supporting the aim of the terrorists. you can't sit on the sidelines in a comfy pew and exert moralist judgements, but hey - do what you like, say what you like, think what you like.

oh, one more thing - you are pretty goddammed presumptuous, telling me that I don't know what it's like to live with tyranny of some type. but again, who cares at this point, since all you have is nasty names to call me or anyone else.

not sorry that I trod on your toes, they needed a stomping from the looks of it, but I wont bother to talk about it with you since you say I am sick, revolting and all that shit. enjoy your nice fantasy.

 

[gb2000ie]

and BTW, all you have to do is complain about innocent people dying and blame that on the forces trying to subdue terrorists, and you are supporting the aim of the terrorists.

That is pure total and utter bullshit. Being appalled by the death of innocents is not supporting terrorism, it's called showing some humanity and some empathy for our fellow human beings. But for an accident of birth, it could be any of us out there suffering.

oh, one more thing - you are pretty goddammed presumptuous, telling me that I don't know what it's like to live with tyranny of some type. but again, who cares at this point, since all you have is nasty names to call me or anyone else.

You show no understanding of life under totalitarian regimes, so it's hardly a leap to conclude that that's because you're not living in those conditions. Anyone who was, would.

What oppressive government have you lived under?

not sorry that I trod on your toes, they needed a stomping from the looks of it, but I wont bother to talk about it with you since you say I am sick, revolting and all that shit. enjoy your nice fantasy.

What fantasies? Am I fantasising that the death of innocents is tragic? People fantasise about nice things, not horrible things. I empathise with all human suffering, that's not something I'm ever going to apologise for, and when you give a shit about your fellow man then you have to speak up against dangerous people who think "too bad so sad" about murder.

"All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" - I speak up against dangerous racism when I see it.

B.

 

[tiggertoo]

"All that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" - I speak up against dangerous racism when I see it.

B.

Too bad you don't take a hard look in the mirror about racism, and maybe prejudice as well. It's been a slice, and I won't waste my time contending with you further, interpret it however you please, I could not care any less.