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Ryan's Rants MegaThread

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OK, since this is going to be like the first post, it's not so "mega" at the moment. But of the sites that I post to, this one by far I get the most responses to when I post something. For nearly the last year I have run a picture blog over on Tumblr called Cupcakes & Cowboys. It's a non-porn blog that showcases pretty much everything good that is out there. I've had people tell me that the blog makes them horny, hungry, and wanting to travel. I've also run a blog on Wordpress called The DisInformation Protocol which is where I post my Ryan's Rants, which there are 74 of at the moment.

So now that I figured out how to do that Anon URL thing (LOL) I will start with the first Rant right after I get this Header posted. I think I write some pretty good stuff, and yea it is all opinionated since it's coming from me, but I've had some really good comments on both WordPress and Tumblr and can't wait to see what arguments you guys will put up.

Just keep in mind while your reading that I love you all!!

~Ryan.
 
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#74: Art Vs Pornography

One of the great mysteries in life is when does art become pornography, and when is pornography art?

I think before we can even discuss this we have to look at what the Dictionary.com definition is for both art and pornography.

Here is the one for Art: the quality, production, expression, or realm, according to aesthetic principles, of what is beautiful, appealing, or of more than ordinary significance; the class of objects subject to aesthetic criteria; works of art collectively, as paintings, sculptures, or drawings.

Here is the one for Pornography: obscene writings, drawings, photographs, or the like, especially those having little or no artistic merit.

People have a bad habit of calling works of art pornography just because the drawing, painting, photograph, or sculpture happens to show penis, vagina, breasts, or buttocks. They are not looking at the full scope of what the artwork is meant to represent. In layman's terms, pornography is meant to be sexually arousing, something to get off too, while art is meant to take in not only the subject of the work, but the surroundings as well. Art is meant to tell a story, while pornography is meant to get you off.

Go into any art museum and I guarantee you will see more that one painting or sculpture that depicts a nude man, woman, or child, and nobody is calling that pornography. Go to Europe and there are plenty of statues out in the public that depict nudity in artistic fashion. One of my favorites is the Boy With Frog(Link to Pictures of it on Google) that use to be in Venice, Italy. It was removed May 9, 2013 and replaced with a street lamp. HERE is the story about it's removal that makes it seem like it had nothing to do with the fact that it was a naked preteen boy. But as the story says, the statue did have it's detractors. It doesn't make mention of the reason, but since the kid is naked, that is probably at the top of the list.

But to me here is where it becomes art. Take a look a the location: He is on a point, surrounded by water. And what kid doesn't like hunting for frogs? I did when I was about that age or so. I just wasn't eight feet tall. And what about his nudity? The body is not something to be ashamed of. Young, old, man, woman, slim, or obese. Remember that according to the Bible (OK) that Adam and Eve were walking around for quite a while buck naked and perfectly fine with it. It was only after the eating from the tree did they realize that they were naked. [And by the way, if God is supposed to be this All Knowing entity how come he had to ASK Adam if he had eaten from tree? [Genesis 3:11] And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?"]

Now here is another work of art that is nude: David by MICHELANGELO. Nobody is calling this porn!

It seems to me that the only time that things get classified as pornography is when they are photographs. And yes, when you troll online there are plenty, and I mean PLENTY of websites and do nothing but feature pornography. I'll let you just Google the word porn on the images side and you'll know what I mean. But so now that I've given a few examples of how nudity with statues isn't considered porn, now let's take a look at a couple of photographs:



This photo, like the statue of the boy and David is not meant to be sexually erotic. It is supposed to showcase the naked naked body in natural surroundings. It is a photograph that makes you think: What is he looking at? What is he pondering? It is almost like the statue of The Thinker by Auguste Rodin, which is a nude as well by the way. Yes, the photographer took the shot as a full frontal nude. But now think if this was a statue sitting on a pedestal and made 300 years ago, would we call it art or pornography?



Here is the second picture that I wanted to show. Here is boy standing in pose in a natural setting. What if this was turned into a sculpture and placed on the point where the Boy With Frog stood? Would we call it art, or would we call it pornography? And what if the men in the photographs had been the age of the Boy With Frog? People would be screaming child pornography, the Boy With Frog stood there for four years. It is people that do not have the appreciation for the naked body who will see every naked body as porn. Hell if you would ever catch them at a nude beach! Heaven's there are naked men, women, and children all over at those places.

Yes, there is a very very fine line between art and pornography. And each person is subject to his or her own opinion. If the work is tasteful, and is done in a way to showcase not only the body but the surroundings, then I would consider it a work of art. If the work is meant for the viewer to get aroused, and focuses entirely on just the body, then I would consider it pornography. But there are also photographs that showcase just the body, with no surroundings that I would still consider art.

But from what I can see from what I read, see online, or at museums, is that the world is getting more and more uptight about the naked body. There is nothing to be ashamed of. Yes, there are people out there that will see a great artwork and get off on it. Nothing we can do about those people. But I think there are more people who know, or want to know, how to admire the body like it was intended to.

And before I go on this one, just two more photographs of statues and how weird some people can be, and believe:

This is an artwork at the Prague Castle in the Czech Republic. It is supposed to give you good luck if you rub him where it counts. Hence the fact that the statue is dark, but his penis and scrotum are shiny bronze.

On the island of Tears in Minsk, Belarus is this statue of a crying angel. It is said that brides come to the island on the wedding day to rub the angels penis to be bless the marriage with fertility and a male son.

So artwork verses pornography? It really comes down to how you view the subject. If a photograph was a statue would you consider it art? If a statue was a live person would you consider it pornography? It's a fine line for sure. But as an appreciator of the human body I hope that there is a lot of great artwork yet to come.

Love to you all!

~Ryan

EDIT: I found this picture about a half hour after the original post and really gets to jist of what I was trying to say.



These two are almost identical. Are they both art? Are they both Pornography? Or is one art and one pornography? To me they are both art.

Love to you all!

~Ryan
 
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Wow Ryan!!!!
Great post, great writing with a lot of umpf in it, and a lot of good thinking behind it! Do I love it or do I love it?!?!!!

Now maybe, maybe I would dare to recommend to you a long thread called "The History of Gay Porn Cinema" I've got together with my friend haiducii in the Sex and Porn-discussion area? Formally it's my thread, but haiducii got an equal say, and we love comments on our post.

I'll read your Art vs Pornography-post more closely and get back to it in a while!
 
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Just a little tip... when anonymizing a https link using the anon.projectarchive.net site, you have to remove the s, or it won't work.

Here is one where I removed the 's' and you can see that it now works, and ultimately you still arrive at a https link.

Anon URL

Someone with more tech know-how might explain further, as I don't want to recommend doing something I don't fully understand. But taking the s out of the anonymized link at least makes it work.
 
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The URL Anonymizer

Just a little tip... when anonymizing a https link using the anon.projectarchive.net site, you have to remove the s, or it won't work.

Here is one where I removed the 's' and you can see that it now works, and ultimately you still arrive at a https link.

Anon URL

Someone with more tech know-how might explain further, as I don't want to recommend doing something I don't fully understand. But taking the s out of the anonymized link at least makes it work.

Thanks for the help there. My bad that I didn't double check the links to make sure they ALL worked. Ended up having to make folders at Pimpnhost since the anonymizer didn't like Google search results. LOL.
 
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Isn't the expression "porn" used for art to degrade it rather than to label it correctly? A lot like one calls someone names in a metaphorical way without seriously thinking that he would really resemble the bodypart or animal of choice on a biological level.

Yea I do think that there are people that do call art "porn" in an attempt to degrade it. I believe that these people are not looking at the full work and are just looking at the parts that they think are making it "pornographic". I think with ANY art you have to view it in the context of the artist. If not, you won't understand it.
 
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#75: English is NOT the official language of the U.S.

GOP Candidates Say Immigrants Don’t Learn English, But Report Proves Them Wrong

I get so sick and tired of hearing about the right wingers who say that they love the Constitution of the United States, and want to protect it from the evil left wingers, but then seem to not know what the hell the damn thing says! There is nowhere in there, and no law made otherwise, that makes English the official language of the United States. If these right wingers were to get there way the United States would become the 2nd Berlin with walls against the Mexican and Canadian borders, and English would be the official language. We might as well take down the Statue of Liberty that is in New York Harbor since her quote would no longer apply.


I have no problem with people who do not speak English. But yes, I do agree that if you live in a place that speaks a different language than you do, it would help in communication if you were to learn the local language. It would be like me moving to Brazil. They speak Portuguese and I don’t know one lick of that. So if I didn’t have anybody to translate for me, or learn some of the language beforehand it is going to be very hard to do shopping, find an apartment, or get a job.

I’ve seen people get upset at foreigners (and remember that EVERYONE in the U.S. could be considered a foreigner) for speaking their own language while eating at a restaurant, or standing in line waiting to be served. I’ve heard people yell “speak English, this is America”. Yet it is fucking funny as hell when they get up to the counter and they can speak English pretty damn good. She’s right! This IS America, where you can speak any damn language you want to. Make one up if you want to even!

When the United States was first started, it seems to me that the Government WANTED to be all inclusive. They didn’t want for everyone to have to become molded into the society. Didn’t they used to call the United States the “Melting Pot”?

What is so wrong with someone speaking another language anyhow? How do you know that these people that you are yelling at for not speaking English even live here? What if they are tourists? How would you feel if you went to France and were waiting in line at McDonald’s (there is no way I’d eat at a restaurant there that I could eat here. You’re in France for God’s sake!) and some French woman started to yell at you and your boyfriend in French for speaking English? You’d be a little upset. So now put yourself in the shoes of those here that do not speak English.

If you grew up somewhere else, like Spain, where Spanish is your first language and English is your second language sometimes it just might be easier for someone to speak their first language with those around that can understand it. Ever think of that? They still might be able to speak pretty perfect English, but if it is just easier to speak your first language there is nothing wrong with that.

The place that I work at has a LOT of people where English is there 2nd language. So sometimes it is hard to figure out what they want, but most of the time if they don’t speak English well they usually have someone there to interpret for them. And again there is nothing wrong with that.

All in all these fucking right wingers really need to go back and study up on what America was built on. I may be young, but I’m not stupid. These people want to change America, but they are changing it for the worse. It is unfathomable to think of how many people agree with them. We should ship all of these people to Siberia where they can all be alone together, Speaking English, they can build their walls, and keep all of the progressive people out.

Like I keep saying, we need to be more supportive. Fling the doors wide open! Let’s help the immigrants enjoy the American life rather than shunning them away.

Love to you all!

~Ryan
 
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#76: Gun Laws: I Can See Where You're Coming From. But......

We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer

So if you know me, you'll know that something has to get me really fired up to post TWO Rant's in one day. And this is the one that did it. This is an article that was written by one of the parents of the people that were killed in the mass shooting in the movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, U.S. They sued the online gun dealer that sold the ammunition that the killer used in the shooting saying that the company didn't get any information about him, or "make an effort to see if he was a dangerous killer". Believe me when I tell you that I am a #1 supporter of making any and all guns owned outside the military illegal, but has this guy ever heard of the saying "guns don't kill people. People kill people"?

The way that I see it, the whole background check for "dangerous people" is fucked up right to begin with. Sure you want to keep guys out of the hands of dangerous people, I get that. Right now it is already illegal for a convicted felon to purchase a gun. But what if the felony that a person was charged with had nothing to do with guns, it's 10 years later, he has a family, and wants to own a gun for protection? To me it seems unreasonable for him not to be able to own a gun.

What people seem to miss is the fact that fucking nobody can predict how a person is going to react, or what he is planning on doing. Sure, a convicted felon could come into a gun shop looking at sports rifles because he wants to teach his nephew how to game hunt, and the first thing that comes to people's minds is that he wants to go out and kill someone. While on the other hand a guy like me who has no criminal record, no history of mental disease, not depressed or anything of the like, comes into the same store, buys a gun and ammunition, and then walks into Wal-Mart and starts shooting. A background check would not have stopped mine, but it would have stopped a legit reason to buy a gun. Which do you think is worse?

And here we go again with my favorite subject, the Constitution! This guy thinks that it is unconstitutional that they were ordered to pay for the legal fees of $203,000 that the defendant incurred KNOWING that they would more than likely lose the case. You show me anywhere in the Constitution where it says that they can't do that! I love how many times I hear that when someone doesn't like something they think it's unconstitutional. The Constitution is pretty limited in scope if you took the time to read the whole fucking thing. This is what we live by people!! There should be a copy of it in every freaking home in America. And guess what? With the internet, it almost is!! Nick and I have a framed copy of it, along with the Declaration of Independance, hanging on the wall behind the couch.

To me the only thing that is unconstitutional in this whole mess is that felons, upon conviction, lose their right to bear arms. And since everyone besides me thinks that this also includes guns, is against the Second Amendment.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.​

Tell me now where this makes an exception for felons?

Now I wholeheartedly feel nothing but grief for this man and how he lost his daughter. But going after the gun manufactures in this way is going to get absolutely nowhere. Yes, the gun lobbies are too powerful. What we should be working on is a way to reduce their power. We should make it illegal for lobbies and corporations to make donations to political parties and members of congress. Yes, that means reversing the Citizens United law. Then the lobbies lose all the power. Then we can take a step to make anything larger than 9mm 12 round handgun illegal. And once we get that far, then we take away the handguns. We will never do it in one big swoosh. I'm willing to take the little steps to get there. The problem is that the ones that have to be the ones to make these changes are the very fucking people taking gun lobbies money. I wonder if the President could make an Executive Order cutting off the lobby funding? I might have to look into that.

As long as the company that sold him the ammunition was following the laws then the decision to throw out the case was the correct move. This was a frivolous lawsuit, and if the courts could get rid of them, OMG things just might actually get done. The gun shop did not kill the people in Aurora so you can't hold them responsible. It would be like someone suing Cutco because someone used one of the butcher knives to kill their wife or husband in their sleep, or McDonald's because you're kid ate their french fries every day and then died of cholesterol poisoning.

Common sense gun laws? I'm all for them! But don't go off on the judicial system because you didn't like the way your case went when you fucking knew how it was going to go. The gun industry has immunity in the courts? Because people keep electing people who will protect the gun industry. How do we make real change here? By changing the representatives that are in Congress and doing away with Citizens United and lobby funding altogether. Until then, it's all legal baby!!

Love to you all!

~Ryan
 

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Porn from Pompeiji

Wow Ryan!!!!
Great post, great writing with a lot of umpf in it, and a lot of good thinking behind it! Do I love it or do I love it?!?!!!

Now maybe, maybe I would dare to recommend to you a long thread called "The History of Gay Porn Cinema" I've got together with my friend haiducii in the Sex and Porn-discussion area? Formally it's my thread, but haiducii got an equal say, and we love comments on our post.

I'll read your Art vs Pornography-post more closely and get back to it in a while!

I promised Ryan a few days ago I'd write kind of a comment on post# 74 in this thread: "Art vs Porn".

Kind of a comment: I'll have a very different take and I won't do any comparing of porn with art in ways that takes for granted, that they must be polar opposites. That's definitely pre-supposing too much.

My point-of-view will be historical, and if I wanted to take the longer route I would start in 17th century France and talk about the expansion of the market of printed books and the re-invention of the concept of obscenity, but I'll take the slightly shorter route starting in mid 18th century and ask the following question:
What on God's green earth made European scholars, philosophers and art lovers start feeling an intense need to construct a new and very particular concept?

Strange and unusual words.

They would start using a pretty unusual word in Ancient Greek; its a word with just a single instance in all of Ancient Greek literature, in a single book of a single writer. The name of the 2nd century A.D. writer was Athenaeus and his book was called Deipnosophistai, "Learned Banquet".

The word was pornographos which is a very tricky word to get at what it means, and not only because it only exists in one single instance. But there are also several grammatical ambiguities.

So -graphein can mean "write" but it can also mean "draw" or "paint", and it doesn't get any clearer when we think about the total construct porno-graphein or porno-graphos. Pornographein can mean "writing of harlots" - but what does of mean? Writing by harlots? Or writing about harlots? Is a pornographer a harlot who writes? Or someone who writes about harlots? That's a pretty fundamental differance...

What was dug out in Pompeiji.

The need to start constructing new concepts was almost literally dug out of the ground when the archeological excavations of ancient Pompeiji started in 1745.

It's important to know a bit about the recieved ideas of European intellectuals in the 18th century about what Ancient Greek and Roman art was, or rather what Europeans thought it should be. According to the German antiquarian and art historian Johann Joachim Winckelmann the masterpieces of Ancient art were - in a very famous phrase - "noble simplicity and calm grandeur".

But what was actually dug out of the groung were art objects and artifacts like the following:
A small white marbles sculpture of the goat god Pan duly fucking a nanny goat...
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...a great many varieties of sculptures and mural paintings of the god Priapus fiercly wanking his gigantic hard-on...
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...and lots of murals in brothels showing people doing what people usually do in a brothel. Fucking. Having every imaginable variety of sex.
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Noble? Simplicity?? Calm ??? Grandeur????

The archeologists and antiquarians responsible for the excavations and what to do with the results of the digging couldn't really handle the situation. What do you do when the results of your work becomes a total clash against all recieved ideas about ancient art?

Well we know what the antiquarians in the late 18th century did: they put all the "obscene representations" in a big cupboard in a special room under lock and chain in the Museo Borbonico in Naples and gave this room a special name: The Secret Museum.

Karl Otfried Müller's baptism of pornography.

Europe's leading authority in the mid 19th century on the archeology of ancient art was the German philologist, art historian and archeologist Karl Otfried Müller (1797-1840) and his authoritative Handbuch der Archäologie der Kunst. In the English translation 1850 Müller alluded to "the great number of obscene representations[...] to which also mythology gave frequent occasion", and he dubbed the producers of such representations "pornographers".

This label stuck. The old locked room at the Museo Borbonico obtained its first systematic catalogue in 1866 and the title was The Pornographic Collection.

An important modern concept was born - for better, for worse.
 

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My dear God - to read your articles here or in your thread Gorgik, are always exciting, fascinating and as well a trip through the history. So many thanks Gorgik for your really very interesting inputs. I'm not ashamed to say that so many things I've never heard before - so thank you for the extension of my scope of view.
 
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