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Why do so many kids have autism now?

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UC Davis M.I.N.D. Institute study shows California's autism increase not due to better counting, diagnosis

A study by researchers at the UC Davis M.I.N.D. Institute has found that the seven- to eight-fold increase in the number children born in California with autism since 1990 cannot be explained by either changes in how the condition is diagnosed or counted — and the trend shows no sign of abating.

Published in the January 2009 issue of the journal Epidemiology, results from the study also suggest that research should shift from genetics to the host of chemicals and infectious microbes in the environment that are likely at the root of changes in the neurodevelopment of California’s children.

“It’s time to start looking for the environmental culprits responsible for the remarkable increase in the rate of autism in California,” said UC Davis M.I.N.D. Institute researcher Irva Hertz-Picciotto, a professor of environmental and occupational health and epidemiology and an internationally respected autism researcher.


So maybe it is chemicals?

California, home to "Silicon Valley" and most of the worlds largest tech companies and electronic research facilities. Is it really that hard to believe that all those electrical impulses floating through the air could be causing interference in children's neurological development? I bet that if you checked around Virginia and West Virginia, two states with large radio black-out areas have some of the lowest autism rates in the country.
 

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The power levels for wifi are very low, 100mw for an access point, 15mw for a phone or tablet. Tha's tiny compared to the power used in police or military radio. But there are millions of them in every built up area. In theory the signal ought not to be cumulative, as the devices are meant to cooperate and not try to shout over the top of each other. But does that work in practice? Anyway it is interesting to note that Silicon Valley parents are the strictest of all at limiting their own childrens exposure to electromagnetic radiation, set hours for internet access, no taking your tablet or phone into the bedroom. I could say 'do they know something that we dont?' but I just think they are doing what a sensible parent would be doing anyway.
 

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Dargelos, you said "There are not more autistic children about, it is only that the term is being used to categorise personality types that were formerly regarded as no more than awkward or eccentric."

"not more autistic children about"

Is this still your position, or not? How confident are you if this is still your position?

You might want to clarify...
 

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Kids who used to be considered just unsocial and awkward nerds who were left to do their own thing are now labelled as Asperger's. There is much over-diagnosis and over-medicating going on now imo, it's creating sort of a hysteria.
 
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I would like to thank cranston for answering trepiks question for me, and so succintly too.
 

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Kids who used to be considered just unsocial and awkward nerds who were left to do their own thing are now labelled as Asperger's. There is much over-diagnosis and over-medicating going on now imo, it's creating sort of a hysteria.

If that is true, then resources set aside for both research into autism and the treatment of autism should be reduced.

Would you truly agree with that? I'm sure you'd agree we would have to carefully look at all the factual information before making such a decision.

If you get a chance please read the research posted above. It's really quite excellent.
 

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If that is true, then resources set aside for both research into autism and the treatment of autism should be reduced.

Would you truly agree with that? I'm sure you'd agree we would have to carefully look at all the factual information before making such a decision.

If you get a chance please read the research posted above. It's really quite excellent.

I didn't say I think Asperger's is bullshit and doesn't deserve funding, I'm sure many kids are seriously suffering with it ,but at the same time I also think a lot of kids who may be just "nerds" are being misdiagnosed with it. So much emphasis is placed now on conformity, "social intelligence", networking skills (i.e. fakeness) that if a parent is confronted with the fact that they have an overly blunt and honest child who doesn't bother to flatter and suck up enough in order to make more than one or zero friends then they automatically think they have to shove pills down their child's throat.
 

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I don’t know how autists are treated in Canada or the UK usually but where I come from medication is certainly not the first thing to do. Normally you get some group therapy offered (also for the parents) or special sport courses like horse-riding or Karate. It’s also not that easy to get a wrong diagnosis only because you’re “unsocial” (again, maybe in Canada ;) ).

Not every autistic person has Aspergers, which is a spectrum btw. so you can have it in a very weak or a very strong state. Since I work with autists I also find more and more autistic traits I have.

There is also the Kenner autism (kindlicher Autismus/infantile autism) and those might be your best friends within 5 minutes. Those don’t even understand if they get bullied.

Many have a certain (limited) range in their voice or avoid eye contact and therefore appear rough. Autism also comes along with certain demands often (which btw. can’t be attributed to normal “unsocial” people). Imagine loud music would be like a heavy tooth ache. Imagine it would be painful for you to hear other people eating breakfast so you have keep a distance, while at the same time you have no clue of how to tell this to your classmates. And on top of that you have a teacher who demand that you go to a concert anyway because he’s just ignorant, even though he’s your teacher for three years.

I have a pupil I work with and this exactly happened to him. His classmates bullied him, he was beaten up by a pupil and the teachers attributed him as “aggressive” and scolded him for normal behavior. He was nearly suspended from school but all he needed was someone to give him a feeling of security. Of course he didn’t speak to me for the first months and it took four months before he looked into my eyes. No wonder – he had learned that keeping his distance and keeping for himself is the only thing that gave him safety.

I think the “normal people” need the therapy, not so much the autists. “Normal” people expect autists to behave like themselves and ask for a “cure” or something. Autists often find this a little insulting the same gay way people find it insulting if people talk about a “cure for gayness”. Most people also still think of “Rainman” if it comes to autism, imagining people who look at the wall and are superintelligent. That’s a cliché.

A while ago I was on a choir-tour and there was a teacher talking to me about what she thinks about autists. There was an autistic girl next to us, listening. She remarked “being normal is overrated”, which I explained to the teacher later.

A fitting description comes from a parent: “If you know one autist, you know one(!) autist”. There are all very different and I find them to be not more or less caring and friendly as non-autistic people.

And it is not that they don’t want to socialize, they are just not capable of “socializing” because they are different and will remain different.
 
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I don’t know how autists are treated in Canada or the UK usually but where I come from medication is certainly not the first thing to do. Normally you get some group therapy offered (also for the parents) or special sport courses like horse-riding or Karate. It’s also not that easy to get a wrong diagnosis only because you’re “unsocial” (again, maybe in Canada ;) ).

Not every autistic person has Aspergers, which is a spectrum btw. so you can have it in a very weak or a very strong state. Since I work with autists I also find more and more autistic traits I have.
http://www.gayheaven.org/post_thank...7553-9dce0ccc98b5dfda1df7508a04d5ee0d2f48cdf6
There is also the Kenner autism (kindlicher Autismus/infantile autism) and those might be your best friends within 5 minutes. Those don’t even understand if they get bullied.

Many have a certain (limited) range in their voice or avoid eye contact and therefore appear rough. Autism also comes along with certain demands often (which btw. can’t be attributed to normal “unsocial” people). Imagine loud music would be like a heavy tooth ache. Imagine it would be painful for you to hear other people eating breakfast so you have keep a distance, while at the same time you have no clue of how to tell this to your classmates. And on top of that you have a teacher who demand that you go to a concert anyway because he’s just ignorant, even though he’s your teacher for three years.

I have a pupil I work with and this exactly happened to him. His classmates bullied him, he was beaten up by a pupil and the teachers attributed him as “aggressive” and scolded him for normal behavior. He was nearly suspended from school but all he needed was someone to give him a feeling of security. Of course he didn’t speak to me for the first months and it took four months before he looked into my eyes. No wonder – he had learned that keeping his distance and keeping for himself is the only thing that gave him safety.

I think the “normal people” need the therapy, not so much the autists. “Normal” people expect autists to behave like themselves and ask for a “cure” or something. Autists often find this a little insulting the same gay way people find it insulting if people talk about a “cure for gayness”. Most people also still think of “Rainman” if it comes to autism, imagining people who look at the wall and are superintelligent. That’s a cliché.

A while ago I was on a choir-tour and there was a teacher talking to me about what she thinks about autists. There was an autistic girl next to us, listening. She remarked “being normal is overrated”, which I explained to the teacher later.

A fitting description comes from a parent: “If you know one autist, you know one(!) autist”. There are all very different and I find them to be not more or less caring and friendly as non-autistic people.

And it is not that they don’t want to socialize, they are just not capable of “socializing” because they are different and will remain different.

Wow - this is the very best and most profound explanation in short about this subject I've ever read. :thumbs up::thumbs up:
 

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Wow - this is the very best and most profound explanation in short about this subject I've ever read. :thumbs up::thumbs up:

I'm in total agreement with Shelter!!!

Thanks a lot ihno for this great post so full of experience, information and - care for young kids and their families. :big hug:
 

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I don’t know how autists are treated in Canada or the UK usually but where I come from medication is certainly not the first thing to do. Normally you get some group therapy offered (also for the parents) or special sport courses like horse-riding or Karate. It’s also not that easy to get a wrong diagnosis only because you’re “unsocial” (again, maybe in Canada ;) ).

Not every autistic person has Aspergers, which is a spectrum btw. so you can have it in a very weak or a very strong state. Since I work with autists I also find more and more autistic traits I have.

There is also the Kenner autism (kindlicher Autismus/infantile autism) and those might be your best friends within 5 minutes. Those don’t even understand if they get bullied.

Many have a certain (limited) range in their voice or avoid eye contact and therefore appear rough. Autism also comes along with certain demands often (which btw. can’t be attributed to normal “unsocial” people). Imagine loud music would be like a heavy tooth ache. Imagine it would be painful for you to hear other people eating breakfast so you have keep a distance, while at the same time you have no clue of how to tell this to your classmates. And on top of that you have a teacher who demand that you go to a concert anyway because he’s just ignorant, even though he’s your teacher for three years.

I have a pupil I work with and this exactly happened to him. His classmates bullied him, he was beaten up by a pupil and the teachers attributed him as “aggressive” and scolded him for normal behavior. He was nearly suspended from school but all he needed was someone to give him a feeling of security. Of course he didn’t speak to me for the first months and it took four months before he looked into my eyes. No wonder – he had learned that keeping his distance and keeping for himself is the only thing that gave him safety.

I think the “normal people” need the therapy, not so much the autists. “Normal” people expect autists to behave like themselves and ask for a “cure” or something. Autists often find this a little insulting the same gay way people find it insulting if people talk about a “cure for gayness”. Most people also still think of “Rainman” if it comes to autism, imagining people who look at the wall and are superintelligent. That’s a cliché.

A while ago I was on a choir-tour and there was a teacher talking to me about what she thinks about autists. There was an autistic girl next to us, listening. She remarked “being normal is overrated”, which I explained to the teacher later.

A fitting description comes from a parent: “If you know one autist, you know one(!) autist”. There are all very different and I find them to be not more or less caring and friendly as non-autistic people.

And it is not that they don’t want to socialize, they are just not capable of “socializing” because they are different and will remain different.

UC Davis M.I.N.D. Institute study shows California's autism increase not due to better counting, diagnosis

How do we explain the increase?

People with autism deserve answers from the scientific community.:)
 

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UC Davis M.I.N.D. Institute study shows California's autism increase not due to better counting, diagnosis

How do we explain the increase?

People with autism deserve answers from the scientific community.:)

Why on earth should "we" (the members of GH) try to explain the alleged increase in California?

"We" are obviously not "the scientific community" - but when you start demanding answers from this community I think you should bring along something better than an article originally published 10½ years ago. (And the answer to the question if I've read it is: -Yes!)
 

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How do we explain the increase?

I do not engage in speculation. Without reading the study itself (and others) and checking the data etc. The name of the study isn't mentioned in the article, at least I didn't find a link. Only the year, 2009, the paper and the autor.

Empiric science works in a form of discourse and this article refers to only one study in a line of many.

But if the authors demand the reduction of anti-insect-pesticides I think that's a good thing in any case.

People with autism deserve answers from the scientific community.:)

Then ask somebody from the scientific community who knows all the studies and has critically reviewed them. ;)
 

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A cruise around the UC Davis site reveals a recurring theme of sponsorship, donation and subscription. Of course $$$$$$$$$ is the theme of every aspect of American life, but to British eyes, UC Davis looks like a particularly mercenary place.
If statistics are as much fun to you as they are to me, you're going to have a great time reading the following.
Suppose we are talking about something which is less emotive, such as a persons height.

"To understand the fallacy of the conclusion, consider the following analogy, based on male height and graphically illustrated in Figure 1. Suppose the criterion for “tall” was 74.5 in. and taller in the mid-1980s, but the criterion was loosened to 72 in. and taller in the mid-1990s. A diagnostic instrument based on the looser, more recent criterion of 72 in. would identify males who met the 74.5-in. criterion as well as those who met the 72-in. criterion.1 Although a perfectly reliable diagnostic instrument based on a looser criterion would identify 100% of the individuals who meet the looser criterion along with 100% of the individuals who meet the more restricted criterion, a highly reliable instrument might identify about 90% of each group; this is the percentage of each cohort in the California study who met the more recent autism criteria.

Most crucially, broadening the criterion will result in a dramatic increase in diagnosed cases. For instance, census data allow us to estimate that 2,778 males in McClennan County, Texas would be called tall by the more restricted 74.5-in. criterion, and 10,360 males would be called tall by the broader 72-in. criterion; if those two criteria had been applied a decade apart, a 273% increase in the number of males called tall would have emerged—without any real increase in Texans’ height. In the same way, the 273% increase from 2,778 versus 10,360 California children who received services for “autism” in 1987 versus 1998 could well be a function of broadened criteria.
As we have already detailed, the commonly applied diagnostic criteria for autism broadened nationally from the 1980s to the 1990s; thus, it would be unusual if the criteria used for eligibility in California had not also broadened during this time. Two further aspects of the California data suggest that the criteria must have broadened. First, children in the more recent cohort were dramatically less likely to have intellectual impairment: Whereas 61% of the children in the earlier cohort were identified as having intellectual impairments, only 27% of the children in the more recent cohort were so identified. The lower rate of intellectual impairment in the more recent cohort matches recent epidemiological data, and the difference between the two rates suggests a major difference between the two cohorts (e.g., that the more recent cohort was drawn from a less cognitively impaired population).
Second, on two of the three dimensions measured by the autism diagnostic instrument, the children in the more recent cohort were, on average, less symptomatic than the children from the earlier cohort. The researchers stated that although these differences were statistically significant (i.e., they exceeded the criterion of a statistical test), they were likely not clinically significant (i.e., they were likely not of significance to the clinical presentation); therefore, the researchers suggested that these differences should not be taken as evidence that the diagnostic criteria had broadened. However, refer again to the tallness analogy: Comparing two cohorts of males in McClennan County diagnosed according to our more restricted (74.5-in.) versus our broader (72-in.) criterion would probably result in a statistically significant difference between the two cohorts’ average height—but the difference would be just about an inch (i.e., most likely not a clinically significant difference)."

There's a lot more where that came from but lets jump to this summing up because it is so beautifuly written.

"Epidemics solicit causes; false epidemics solicit false causes. Google autism and epidemic to witness the range of suspected causes of the mythical autism epidemic. Epidemics also connote danger. What message do we send autistic children and adults when we call their increasing number an epidemic? A pandemic? A scourge? Realizing that the increasing prevalence rates are most likely due to noncatastrophic mechanisms, such as purposely broader diagnostic criteria and greater public awareness, should not, however, diminish societal responsibility to support the increasing numbers of individuals being diagnosed with autism. Neither should enthusiasm for scientific inquiry into the variety and extent of human behavioral, neuroanatomical, and genotypic diversity in our population be dampened."

These words I have stolen from US National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health 'Three Reasons Not to Believe in an Autism Epidemic'
 

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I don’t know how autists are treated in Canada or the UK usually but where I come from medication is certainly not the first thing to do. Normally you get some group therapy offered (also for the parents) or special sport courses like horse-riding or Karate. It’s also not that easy to get a wrong diagnosis only because you’re “unsocial” (again, maybe in Canada ;) ).

Not every autistic person has Aspergers, which is a spectrum btw. so you can have it in a very weak or a very strong state. Since I work with autists I also find more and more autistic traits I have.

There is also the Kenner autism (kindlicher Autismus/infantile autism) and those might be your best friends within 5 minutes. Those don’t even understand if they get bullied.

Many have a certain (limited) range in their voice or avoid eye contact and therefore appear rough. Autism also comes along with certain demands often (which btw. can’t be attributed to normal “unsocial” people). Imagine loud music would be like a heavy tooth ache. Imagine it would be painful for you to hear other people eating breakfast so you have keep a distance, while at the same time you have no clue of how to tell this to your classmates. And on top of that you have a teacher who demand that you go to a concert anyway because he’s just ignorant, even though he’s your teacher for three years.

I have a pupil I work with and this exactly happened to him. His classmates bullied him, he was beaten up by a pupil and the teachers attributed him as “aggressive” and scolded him for normal behavior. He was nearly suspended from school but all he needed was someone to give him a feeling of security. Of course he didn’t speak to me for the first months and it took four months before he looked into my eyes. No wonder – he had learned that keeping his distance and keeping for himself is the only thing that gave him safety.

I think the “normal people” need the therapy, not so much the autists. “Normal” people expect autists to behave like themselves and ask for a “cure” or something. Autists often find this a little insulting the same gay way people find it insulting if people talk about a “cure for gayness”. Most people also still think of “Rainman” if it comes to autism, imagining people who look at the wall and are superintelligent. That’s a cliché.

A while ago I was on a choir-tour and there was a teacher talking to me about what she thinks about autists. There was an autistic girl next to us, listening. She remarked “being normal is overrated”, which I explained to the teacher later.

A fitting description comes from a parent: “If you know one autist, you know one(!) autist”. There are all very different and I find them to be not more or less caring and friendly as non-autistic people.

And it is not that they don’t want to socialize, they are just not capable of “socializing” because they are different and will remain different.

Thanks ihno, great points and observations you make. It sounds like in Europe understanding of mental health is quite advanced. I do think in North America however it is being over-diagnosed. Autism is a gateway for pharmaceutical companies with dollar signs in their eyes being able to prescribe depression and adhd medications to children and that particular industry has quite a grip on the politicians and doctors over here, as we all know. I think this is a very probable explanation for the rise in diagnoses.
 
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Thanks ihno, great points and observations you make. It sounds like in Europe understanding of mental health is quite advanced. I do think in North America however it is being over-diagnosed. Autism is a gateway for pharmaceutical companies with dollar signs in their eyes being able to prescribe depression and adhd medications to children and that particular industry has quite a grip on the politicians and doctors over here, as we all know. I think this is a very probable explanation for the rise in diagnoses.

Are you sure? ;)
https://anonym.to/?https://www.cana...asd/support-autism-spectrum-disorder-asd.html

That's mainly the same thing I describe. I hope they don't perform the peer to peer support when they are all drugged. ;)

You describe somehting real though I only think the phenomenon is more often linked to ADHD. Here in Europe as well of course. That's why parents or patients should always look for a good doctor and get a second opinion.

Oh and btw. I don't think that medical research is a bad thing per se. I guess I have mentioned that I have migrane and use a rhyme-medication that was found 20 years ago (not more than six - ten pills per year) and since then I don't have any problems any more.
 

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Are you sure? ;)
https://anonym.to/?https://www.cana...asd/support-autism-spectrum-disorder-asd.html

That's mainly the same thing I describe. I hope they don't perform the peer to peer support when they are all drugged. ;)

You describe somehting real though I only think the phenomenon is more often linked to ADHD. Here in Europe as well of course. That's why parents or patients should always look for a good doctor and get a second opinion.

Oh and btw. I don't think that medical research is a bad thing per se. I guess I have mentioned that I have migrane and use a rhyme-medication that was found 20 years ago (not more than six - ten pills per year) and since then I don't have any problems any more.

Yes, I am sure. I imagine it could be quite depressing and traumatizing for a child when he/she receives an autism diagnosis in a less socially-advanced country. Then they can sell you anti-depressants.
 
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A cruise around the UC Davis site reveals a recurring theme of sponsorship, donation and subscription. Of course $$$$$$$$$ is the theme of every aspect of American life, but to British eyes, UC Davis looks like a particularly mercenary place.

Why particularly? How is UC Davis so different from e.g. Berkeley?

From Wiki:

The University of California, Davis (also referred to as UC Davis), is a public research university and land-grant university adjacent to Davis, California.[9] It is part of the University of California (UC) system and has the third-largest enrollment in the UC System after UCLA and UC Berkeley.[7] The institution was founded as a branch in 1909 and became its own separate entity in 1959. It has been labeled one of the "Public Ivies", a publicly funded university considered to provide a quality of education comparable to those of the Ivy League.[10][11]

Amazing research is produced my many US universities. But that is for a different thread. Let's keep the focus on this:

UC Davis M.I.N.D. Institute study shows California's autism increase not due to better counting, diagnosis

How do we explain the increase? :)
 

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Yes, I am sure. I imagine it could be quite depressing and traumatizing for a child to receive an autism diagnosis in a less socially-advanced country. Then they can sell you anti-depressants.

I guess in socially less-advanced countries doctors and parents have probably never heard of autism, just like it was in Germany or Canada in the 70s or 80s. In Russia f.e. a diagnosis of autism rarely ever happens and the topic is only on the public agenda for on about seven years.

The public recognition of autism was accomplished by activits, not so much by pharma marketing.

And today it's a certain Western trait that parents look much closer at their children then they did 20 or 40 years ago. The numbers of adult persons who get a diagnosis is rising in the West too.
 
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