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Here's the "world-famous Swedish professional porn reviewer gorgik9" speaking:rofl::rofl::rofl:

I'll write a longer piece later this evening on Cadinot's greatness as porn movie maker, but right now it's about some basic facts. You say that Cadinot's first movie, "Tendres adolescents", premiered in 1978 and was shot on 16 mm celluloid film.

I'm pretty sure you've read some edition of the glbtq-Encyclopedia, and I'm quite sceptic. imdb says 1980 and - more importantly - shot on video:

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You say that Cadinot's first movie, "Tendres adolescents", premiered in 1978 and was shot on 16 mm celluloid film.

Hmmm...who knows!? :D

I'm pretty sure you've read some edition of the glbtq-Encyclopedia

Yes... and many other web resources ;)

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Hmmm...who knows!? :D



Yes... and many other web resources ;)

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First : I didn't say you're wrong, I said I'm sceptic = I'm not fully convinced.

Second : the bibliography is from the lgbtq-Encyclopedia which I've got also in the printed version...

Sooooo...still being sceptic...;)

But I also should have said : great post and I'm particularly impressed that you got hold of some of Cadinot's photography:thumbs up::thumbs up:
 

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Before the movie starts, it says c 1980 as you can see here, post # 8, but maybe it was shot 1978 and only released 1980 ...

http://gayheaven.org/showthread.php?t=478336

Thanks a lot, warp9! Sounds quite plausible!

To me, the really important thing isn't the exact year of production, but the production medium - 16mm celluloid film or video - and this is so because of the fundamental differences concerning the sound-side in moviemaking between film and video.
 

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A few lines on the greatness of Jean-Daniel Cadin0t !

1. Keeping the moderate production tempo.

It's not necessary to dig into the Romantic myth of "genious" to understand Cadin0t as a moviemaker. It's much more fundamental to understand, that Cad1not had a moderate production tempo in his moviemaking from the beginning around 1980 and kept this moderate tempo until the bitter end.

C4dinot was a slow mover in gay porn production even in the days, when 16 mm film was the dominating production medium and companies like F4lc0n, L4gun4 P4c1fic and N0v4 made 5-6 new films a year, but C4din0t never made more than 4 new films in a year, and quite often not more than three, two or a single film a year. And when the industry totally changed from 16mm to video, and the big american companies churned out about 30 movies a year in the early 90s on, Cad1not could be looked upon as freakishly slow.

But what's slow is always relative. The importance of keeping a moderate production tempo is of course to keep up high production quality in all aspects of the production process from beginning to end : Writing, casting, costume, props, scenography, hair, make-up, film music, post-production etc etc. Everything costs money, everything takes time, and everything is a matter of specific skills, crafts and talents.

It's impossible to keep up a high level of production quality if you're gonna make 30 films a year. It just won't happen.

C4dinot as a photographer and a maker of images and visual style.

I'm pretty tired of reading people talking about Cad1in0t as a moviemaker into storytelling and plot driven films; not that this is precisely wrong, but it's a shallow and very incomplete description.

Look at this YouTube-clip of an advertisement made by internationally well known Swedish film director Roy Andersson:



In an inteview with Roy Andersson in Swedish TV, he talked about american film critics take on movies: "-Telling stories, telling stories, telling stories - that's all they can think about. But when I think about movies, I think about making images and visual style!"

C4ad1not had many years of experience as a professional photographer with his own studio in Paris, lots of experience composing images and handling light. But we live in a culture where Aristotelian poetics is considered fundamental - and Aristotelian poetics wasn't a matter of visual poetics.

C4ad1not as the Bergman of gay porn movies.

What the heck am I thinking about? If you listen to interviews with actors who worked with Bergman many times, there's a dominating theme - How good Bergman was in handling his actors, in making them - or maybe rather allowing them - to do their very best.

So my guess is, that C4dinot's basic formula was : Meticulous preparations, and then at rock bottom letting young horny happy funloving male youth do what they do best anyway! Or: don't overdo it...

A wonderful example of keeping things simple and natural is if you look at how C4adin0t lets the young bucks use their natural spoken french language. If you want the destructive opposite you can look at many German porn movies from the 80s, using a voice-over based on written texts read out loud.

The result is nothing but awful.
 
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Agree with gorgik9, I used to be bothered by the minimalist dialogues in JDC's films but I kept going back for more. That's when I realized that the appeal of JDC's movies was in the way they were filmed not because of the story. One almost feels like a voyeur watching one of his movies. Great and talented cinematographer.
 

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thanks guys, I check out for a couple of days and lo and behold, JDC and Praha appear.
So some idle thoughts from an idle man.

For me JDC beats Higgins from a viewers perspective. he seems more 'en plein air', natural and normal. The scenes develop as your fervid imagination would wish them to. Its not called FrenchArt for nothing. Looks good, models are average street-guys, although handsome and incredibly horny.

Higgins guys all look the same to me and the scenes formulaic, perhaps because its made for the US market??? I suppose its also characteristic of the national sensibilities of the different cultures in Europe. In another words the socio-political contexts of Mai 1968 in France in which artists and filmmakers took part and its effects influence the culture still.
The Prague spring was much more a challenge to a restrictive orthodoxy and need for liberation and freedom.
So give me the French naturalisme, cruising and casual encounters outdoors.
To me this is the kind of scenarios discussed and identified in the thread. Hustler scenes like those I read about in Delany's work. Acted out in realistic and imaginable scenes as if you could move from being voyeur to an active participant.
 

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more idle thoughts.
To me the idea of Hustler is more than, youth sells sex for money, or the Higgins concept of 'gay for pay', described so eloquently by haiducii.

In my view the hustler is the difference and distance between Arthur Rimbaud and joe dallesandro; 'little joe never once gave it away, everybody had to pay and pay',(lou reed).
It is the Dilly boys, literally male hustlers who walked Piccadilly,London, looking for punters and their money to pay the rent, hence 'rent boys'.

However this is an international concept immortalised in mainstream cinema, 'Johns'(Scott Silver 1996) and 'My own private idaho', (GusVanSant,1991).
This is where the underground meets the mainstream where porn and art meet in a confluence of ideas and imitations of real life.

JDC also uses this hustler, who undermines the cash for sex transaction, by 'free sex' as a not for money and personally liberating experience. Cruising the streets looking for others have sex with is in JDC's 'mon ami mes amants' and 'safari city', where street markets and the woods on the edge of the city become the playgrounds of sexual encounters. It takes the viewer from voyeur, watching gay4pay in hotel rooms porn films, into a cruising outdoors experience that you could be a party to the action, you could join these ordinary street guys in their free sex encounters. It could just as easily be you on screen as these ordinary young men from the streets where you live.

GioBlackPeter and Brian Kenny carry this art/porn idea into their performances. Kenny worked as a go-go boy at 'the cock', bar in New York. He also acts as go-go dancer for Gio's group. They combine the street dance, erotic and explicit lyrics and music as theatre/performances
Hustling as art, not hidden in dark cinemas , but out on the streets. That's the difference between Higgins/JDC for me, the same 'but expressed differently. so vive le difference
 
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@mikk33: Agree with your thoughts. JDC made 3 or 4 movies a YEAR, WH release 3 or 4 clips EVERY DAY. Mass production is resulting in lower quality. Same shit happens today in music industry...
 

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I found some JDC original photography in 'gaypicturescollections' thread under 'cadinot'
 

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more idle thoughts.
To me the idea of Hustler is more than, youth sells sex for money, or the Higgins concept of 'gay for pay', described so eloquently by haiducii.

In my view the hustler is the difference and distance between Arthur Rimbaud and joe dallesandro; 'little joe never once gave it away, everybody had to pay and pay',(lou reed).
It is the Dilly boys, literally male hustlers who walked Piccadilly,London, looking for punters and their money to pay the rent, hence 'rent boys'.

However this is an international concept immortalised in mainstream cinema, 'Johns'(Scott Silver 1996) and 'My own private idaho', (GusVanSant,1991).
This is where the underground meets the mainstream where porn and art meet in a confluence of ideas and imitations of real life.

JDC also uses this hustler, who undermines the cash for sex transaction, by 'free sex' as a not for money and personally liberating experience. Cruising the streets looking for others have sex with is in JDC's 'mon ami mes amants' and 'safari city', where street markets and the woods on the edge of the city become the playgrounds of sexual encounters. It takes the viewer from voyeur, watching gay4pay in hotel rooms porn films, into a cruising outdoors experience that you could be a party to the action, you could join these ordinary street guys in their free sex encounters. It could just as easily be you on screen as these ordinary young men from the streets where you live.

GioBlackPeter and Brian Kenny carry this art/porn idea into their performances. Kenny worked as a go-go boy at 'the cock', bar in New York. He also acts as go-go dancer for Gio's group. They combine the street dance, erotic and explicit lyrics and music as theatre/performances
Hustling as art, not hidden in dark cinemas , but out on the streets. That's the difference between Higgins/JDC for me, the same 'but expressed differently. so vive le difference

Your thoughts may be idle...but they invariably make up a good read!

If I would comment on every interesting aspect in your post, it would make up a really long post of it's own, mostly filled with: "- yeah, exactly!", "of course!", and "we're of one mind!" - but that gets rather boring, doesn't it?

So I hope you'll like that we - haiducii and me - have decided there must be at least one and possibly two more posts on JDC in our thread.

On Gus Van Sant, in my opinion his very best movie actually is his first, "Mala Noche" (1985). (Or maybe Elephant?)

I guess you already know of Slava Mogutin's photo book "NYC Go-Go"? And another name that should be mentioned is writer Bruce Benderson!

The two best books to my knowledge on hustler culture in general and New York hustlers in particular are Mack Friedman's "Strapped for cash" and Barry Reay's "New York Hustlers". And about London, there's Matt Houlbrook's "Queer London".
 

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from the darkness came the light and the mystery of the revelation

which is a pompous English way of saying thanks for the comments and new sources of reference and interests to pursue, cheers to gorgik and haiducii.

VanSant's 'Idaho' is my favourite, because it references Henry IV part one, and the rebel in me likes the idea of the future HenryV as a street hustler. Also it includes first hand testimony from the real hustlers of Portland, Oregon.
Finally it also refers to John Rechy's 'City of Night' a great tome worthy of inspection.
 

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Let's do some dissing!!!

The point of departure for most posts in this thread has so far predominantly been appreciation, liking something.

But now it's time for some fierce disliking!!!

However, I think I'll have to start with an excuse to haiducii and all our followers in this thread...My hope was that I could give you a download link to an episode of a reality show TV series about the porn site Br0k3 Stra1ght B0ys released from Here TVPremium, but I talked to our mods and the answer was very polite but negative. I had already prepared for this outcome, so I'll have to give you a text-only post without download links. It's a pity but watching the TV episode isn't absolutely necessary to follow my argument.

So what is it all about? I'll talk about the absolutely central founding question dominating the reality TV show about this porn site with alledgedly Broke and Straight boys : - Are they REALLY straight? Not only super-straight but super-duper-super straight? Like 157.34% straight? That's the Nobel Prize-worth question, wouldn't you agree...

It is important for me to state, that I'm NOT into critizising the boys in this TV series. Most of them are cute and sexy (Kaden Alexander being my fave...) and most of the seem to be really sweet. I don't think I'm even critizising the porn site Br0ke Str41ght B0ys either, but what I am critizising and as harsh as seem fit is the Here TV series, and in particular it's viciously heteronormative rhetoric that binds it all together. It's vile and vicious.

Polygraph and confusion

For those of you who can get hold of the TV series on your own, it's episode 5 ("Someone's Gotta Go") the most relevant parts begin at 14min 27sec and from 20min 34sec.

This episode is, among other things, about the porn site owner Mark Erickson's and operations manager Shannon Prewitt's decision to hire polygraph analyst JP Page from Denver to do a Polygraph test - popularly known as "lie detector test" - on the studio boys.

When the test is over, Prewitt's comment is: "- So we got straight guys in this house?"

JP Page seems to be a serious scientist who doesn't promise something his method can't handle and guarantee, and his chilling reply is: "- It's not something we can necessarily test on the polygraph."

He goes on to explain that the polygraph can only test human reactions on hard behavior, but not desires and emotions. You can test the reactions to :"- Did you eat French toast this morning?", but you can't test :- Do you LIKE to eat French toast?".

Or to make my own - gorgik's - expansion: you can do a polygraph test on me on the question: "- Did you eat haiducii's ass last night?", and the sorry true answer would be - nooo...

The equally true answer to the question "Would you LIKE to lick haiducii's ass?" is - Yesss you can bet your sorry ass that I would!; but the only meaningful method you could use is to ask me. If you start a polygraph test on questions of desire and taste, your not being "scientifical". Your being stupid. Plus using a quasi-scientific rhetoric.

Some porn site history

But let's talk a bit about the Br0ke Str4ight-history. You can find the realevant basic facts on this link :Anon URL

Actuall I was quite a fan of the site as it was let's say from 2007 to spring 2011. I'd say thet the most important difference between what you could see in the porn on the site 2007-2011 and what is reflected in the TV series is the monomanaical concentration on this "Are you REALLY straight"-question.

Let's talk about model Anthony Torn and hic cousin Mike (or Mikey or Michael...)! The first time Anthony appeared on the site was 4 August 2007 and he soon made several more episodes. But the truly interesting thing was when his cousin Mike - a couple of years younger than Anthony - came to the site on 25 october 2008 in tandem with Anthony; they started telling their story and - had sex with each others.

But it's even more interesting and anti-stereotypical! Mike was a total homo, while Anthony had been a ladies man since quite early, i.e when he didn't have sex with his younger homo cousin, who had an impressively long fat schlong and was much more of a top than bisex/straight cousin Anthony. Mike and Anthony made many, many episodes - sometimes together, sometimes apart with one, two or three other guys. They were popular.

This was maybe the most complex incest/cousin-story, at least that I know of, on the Br0ke Str41ght-site. But there was quite a lot of other examples of guys who didn't fit the Super-Duper stereotype during these early days.

Homophobia Americana

In my opinion it's necessary to remember, that this TV series is produced and got its audience in USA, a society with a level of public, official homophobia which is something quite different from most countries in Western and Northern Europe.

Of course I'm NOT saying, that Sweden and Denmark ever has been some kind of homo paradise, and much if the same homophobic shit hit the politic fan in the Scandinavian countries as in Britain and the US in the 1950s.

But - and this is a very important memento - gay men and women were NEVER formally made second rate citizens as they actually, factually were in the US.

There were these deplorable fiercly homophobic desicions on the political top level, who's sum consequence can't be described as anything else than gay citizens having been made second rate - Formally! Officially!! Publicly!!!

First there was the exclusion of gay male and female soldiers from the social benefits in the GI Bill, through the policy desicion in the Veterans Administrations in 1945 stating, that any soldier who had been administratively discharged as undesirable "because of homosexual acts or tendencies" must be excluded from the benefits program.

Next there was the McCarran-Walter Act in 1952, meaning that alien citizens trying to enter USA while afflicted with "psychopathic personality" (=homo) must be prevented from entering or remaining in the country.

As the third stepping stone, president Eisenhower's Executive Order no 10450 from april 1953 stated that anyone employed by the US federal government must be sacked if having commited one single homosexual act.

So if the local police in Yoknapatawpah County, Mississippi, finds that a 19 year old janitor employed by a federal institution in this County had a single wank together with another janitor - then off with both those janitors.

Remember that wanking janitors are a grave danger to freedom and democracy, and the natural allied to you-know-who! (And you bet that so sayeth the Holy Scripture...)

Eisenhower's Executive Order wasn't formally repealed until 1975.

But what is a homo, anyway? And what does straight mean?

No, no I'm not answering these questions. I'll do something way more meaningful and important - I'm going to put the very question in question.

I'll follow historical-conceptual analysis of the modern concept of homosexuality in David M. Halperin's study How to do the History of Homosexuality (2002).

The word "homosexual/ity" was coined - just like the word "heterosexual/ity" - by the German-Hungarian writer Karl-Maria Kertbeny in the second part of the 1860s.Anon URL (Kertbeny was a friend and pen pal of German activist Karl Heinrich Ulrichs.)

But the word isn't the problem. The problem is the very complex modern concept of homosexuality, which according to Halperin's analysis is a combination of at least three distinct and earlier un-related concepts:

First a psychiatric notion of perverted or pathological orientation, derived from German psychiatrist Carl Otto Westphal and his 19th century colleagues, which is an essentially psychological concept that applies to the inner life of the individual and does not necessarily presume same-sex sexual behavior;

Second a psychoanalytical notion of same-sex sexual object-choice or desire, derived from Sigmund Freud and his co-workers, which is a category of erotic intentionality and does not necessarily imply a permanent sexual orientation, let alone a deviant or pathological one;

Third a sociological notion of sexually deviant behavior, derived from 19th- and 20th-century forensic inquiries into "social problems", which focuses on non-standard sexual practice and does not necessarily refer to erotic psychology or sexual orientation.

"Homosexuality" is at once a psychological condition, an erotic desire, and a sexual practice - and those are three quite different things.

Or to put it in other words - a straight man is considered to be the opposite of the homosexual man. The problem is, that straight can be the opposite of many different opposites:

Sometimes straight is the opposite of effeminate( the opposite of the contrary sexual feeling good old Westphal talked about in 1869) hence: masculine.

But another time straight is the opposite of same-sex sexual object-choice, hence : your choosen sexual object right now is opposite-sex. You're a man hot for ladies right now.

Another time still, straight is the opposite of deviant sexual behavior, hence: your sexual behavior is the one considered normal. But remember - up until the early 20th century only procreative sex was considered normal. And procreative is no synonym for heterosexual. Don't make that all too common mistake!!!

Today we live in the age of Michael A. Hoffman http://www.gayheaven.org/showpost.php?p=1952709&postcount=54 and Sporno Anon URL

And here endeth this too long lesson...
 
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Well I'm just a silent reader of this wonderful and interesting thread but I'd like to thank our teachers here who are working really hard to make this thread a great thread, post after post...

Such a huge work that is worth sticky IMHO :thumbs up:

:agree::agree::agree::agree::agree:
 

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Well I'm just a silent reader of this wonderful and interesting thread but I'd like to thank our teachers here who are working really hard to make this thread a great thread, post after post...

Such a huge work that is worth sticky IMHO :thumbs up:

Thanks for the appreciation:big hug::):)

This and being given the opportunity of working together with the best sidekick possible, is what make all this working and working truly worthwile!

Earlier this afternoon haducii told me he got a bad cold, so there's shiploads of tea with lemon and honey for him. But of course he's working on his upcoming post - coughing, snivelling and atttttchooooo...
 

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Gay Porn Mama

I know straight guys watch lesbian porn (I know not all guys like lesbians but majority do!), but I'm curious as to why women watch gay porn more than ever before!? Andy Medhurst, a Senior Lecturer at the University of Sussex Centre for the Study of Sexual Dissidence, says: ''There's a long history of women being fascinated by aspects of gay male sexuality, ranging from speculating about which pop stars might be gay to the curious corners of slash fiction.''

The internet has turned women on to the joys of gay porn. That ability to connect seems vital to the legion of women engaging with gay porn. Because they're not just watching it. They're writing it, talking about it - and even directing it. Introducing the fabulous, proud, and incredibly talented, Mr. Pam! Even if you’ve never heard of Pam Dore, a.k.a "mr. Pam," chances are good that, if you are an adult gay male, you’ve seen her work. Mr. Pam is the only woman making a living as a videographer and director of gay porn. She identifies this new confidence in women's porn-viewing habits as political. She compares it to 20th century advances, such as the pill. ''Women have a right to explore their sexuality in the same way that men do'', she adds.

Mr. Pam was born on December 8, 1972 in San Francisco, California and given the name Pam Dore. Her adult career began at F4lcon 5tudios in 1996 as a video editor; she was given her male nom de porn when F4lcon staffers were concerned the studio's legendary founder, Chuck Holmes, might object to a woman working behind the scenes. After completing her internship with F4lcon 5tudios, she worked on various projects with Chi Chi LaRue, would later go on to shoot with Co1t, and spend some time dabbling in the corporate world, but her heart was set on her true passion, photographing, filming and directing gay porn. In August 2008, New York-based gay pornographic studio Luca5 Entertainment signed Pam to an exclusive videographer contract as its creative director of film and production. She currently lives in San Francisco, California and is the director of film at N4ked 5word 0riginals.

''It’s been an awesome voyage'', says Mr. Pam. ''The fact that I’m doing something different with my life. I like that I am working in entertainment and make people happy... I love gay men. They’re just so much fun. And the guys are really sexual, you get the realness of it the way you can’t with women...I'm obscenely comfortable being around guys fucking," Pam told XBIZ. "I have always been a super-sexual, kind of a 'loose' girl. I think gay men share my adventurous nature and free sexuality. On the set, I fit into many roles: kick-ass cameraman, slutty friend or 'Mommy' if the boys need a hug or someone to talk with."

Mr. Pam is proof that a woman can be successful in the gay porn industry, but it takes hard work to be a good gay porn director, whether it be male or female. And it's obvious that she's a great asset to the gay porn industry and is very welcomed in it too. Her creativity, skills, talent and bubbly personality make her one of the best gay porn directors. I think this industry is so competitive and keeping on top of what’s new and exciting'', says Mr. Pam, referring to some of the biggest challenges she has personally faced. ''It’s everything from trends in gay sex, technology, cameras, and lighting. Guys come to porn for so many reasons. It’s personal. It’s technical. It’s entertainment. I’ve just trust my guts and stay on top of my game.''

''I truly believe that porn is art'', is a motto that Mr. Pam lives by. Since 1996 she has filmed, directed or edited over 200 gay porn films. Loved by performers and fans alike, she has received countless award nominations and accolades, but is most proud of her 2010 Grabby Award for Best Videographer for the movie ''Men Of Israel''. It was the first time a woman had been so honored in the industry.

''Men Of Israel'' is the first gay adult film to feature an ''all-Israeli / Jewish'' cast. Michael Luca5 sees this porn as a tool, if you will, to promote tourism, at least among gay men. Before you laugh this off, know that it’s happened before, when porn director Kristen 3jorn’s Australian trilogy put Sydney on the gay map nearly 20 years ago. I'm sure you'll learn more about it from gorgik's forthcoming post about 3jorn's work to be released at the end of this month. If you are interested in Israeli culture, then watch the final scene from ''Men Of Israel'' HERE.

In 2012, Mr. Pam won two Grabbys - Best Videography and Best Director - along with Michael Luca5 for his big-budget production, "Assassins". HERE is the third scene from Luca5 Entertainment’s erotic film noir epic ''Assassin'', in which Steven Daigle and Cliff Jensen find out that they have more in common than just being professional cock suckers.

After what she describes as "three-and-a-half awesome years" with Luca5, in December 2011 N4ked5word Owner Tim Valenti offered her a chance to return to San Francisco. She'll serve as director of production for N4ked5word 0riginals, a new division at the online gay adult video warehouse owned by the Charlotte, N.C., adult giant AEBN, (4dult Entertainment 3roadcast Network).

Let's go behind the lens with Mr. Pam! ''Fun! Fun, fun, fun,'' is how she describes what it’s like on an average day to film a gay porn scene. Most gay porn stars get ready to film gay porn before they show up on set, but it’s up to the director to ensure that every final detail is looked after. ''The bottom arrives first, and then the top, so the bottom can clean out his ass while the top gets ready; it’s very efficient'', explains Mr. Pam.

Before the lighting, camera, and audio crew get into position, Mr. Pam has a special moment she likes to take with the boys. ''We do a porn prayer that this will be the scene of their life'', says Mr. Pam, who loves to add her personal touch and ensure everyone is comfortable. ''Then we film the hottest sex they’ve ever had!''

There will be numerous positioned filmed, and there will be lots of start-and-stop moments throughout, ensuring the models are comfortable, well presented, and all the right camera angles are captured. The climax of the day is the cum shot!

''Then we eat after the cum shot'', says Mr. Pam. ''We do dialogue and wrap-ups, they get their checks and it’s the end of the day.'' While it’s the end of the day for the model, there’s still plenty of work to be done before the scene is ready to be released. ''It usually takes about two months'', says Mr. Pam, estimating the time it takes from filming the scene to having it released. The result? Watch the first episode from N4ked5word's 2014 hit movie "Roommate Wanted!" HERE. Will Rey Luis take all of Boomer Bank's award-winning, giant cock? You’ll have to watch to find out.

Can't wait to see the movie ''Wham, Bam, mr Pam'', the hilarious comedy about a former Catholic schoolgirl who becomes a superstar director of gay porn. The film had its world premiere at Toronto’s Inside Out LGBT Film Festival last year. Watch the trailer on YT.

 

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Actually I'm a bit embarrased that I didn't even know of the existence of mr. Pam... Kudos, haiducii - and all this work while having a bad cold...

Now that's what being dedicated means!!!
 

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Aesthetic diversity in 70s gay porn.

I know, I know - couldn't I come up with a bit more academic title to this post? But I'm the one doing the writing right now, so you'll actually have to put up with "aesthetic" and other academese vocabulary...

And the immense aesthetic diversity, the immense variety of film style really is what fascinates me personally in 70s gay porn.

If we're to believe some posts in some old threads about gay porn in the Porn & Sex Discussion-area, there's just two kinds of porn - "just sex"-porn and storytelling-porn - so nil diversity.

But we shouldn't believe this very one-dimensional and one-eyed argument for several multifaceted reason!

First - get rid of the just sex versus storytelling-dichotomy, which in my opinion seems like a perfect example of philosopher Gilbert Ryle's notion of category mistake. Simply - why the hell couldn't a story you're telling be a story about sexual acts? Of course it could!!! So the dichotomy is totally invalid.

Second - I'm very sceptic about that there ever will be such a thing as a movie totally without some kind of storytelling on some level. It isn't a question of empirical facts, but of how we define the concepts of "story" and "storytelling".

We have many different definitions, starting with Plato (The Republic, Book 3), Aristotle (Poetics) and Horace (Ars Poetica), and ending with French narratology from the 1960s and 70s and American cinematic narratology (David Bordwell).

Even in the cinema of attractions / stag porn movies there's some kind of story and storytelling, albeit simplistic and shallow.

But - third - the most important thing is, that ALL kinds of moviemaking ALWAYS is so much more complex than just flashing out a simple storyline. There's filmphotography/videography, lights, sounds and film music. There's scenography / set design, costume, props, make-up and mask, editing and shiploads of other things.

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So here are two very, very special gay porn movies made by two equally special movie makers, two of my own biggest favs. I really hope you'll like and maybe even love these two films!

James Bidgood: Pink Narcissus (1971)

James Bidgood's film is really one of it's kind, without comparison - which also means, that I'm not totally sure if this is a piece of gay porn.

Bidgood (b. 1933) was and is a multi-talented artist, who made almost everything himself - photography and film photography, costumes design, set design, make-up, props, hairdressing, editing etc etc.

Before he started making Pink Narcissus he made lots of physique photography for many physique magazines (f.ex. The Young Physique, Muscleboy, Demi-Gods, Muscle Teens) 1963-67.

But Bidgood's grandiose masterpiece is, of course, Pink Narcissus, which he started working on in 1964, and when it was released in 1971 it became a personal, artistic, and economic disaster for him.

I guess that the root cause for this tragedy was, that the movie was too much an intensly personal emotional thing for Bidgood, and he couldn't really manage to handle the relations with the film company contracted to do the practical-economical sides of the release. Bidgood totally refused to put is name in the movies aftertexts, which says - as you will see - "written by Anonymous", "produced by Anonymous" and "directed by Anonymous".

Pink Narcissus is a movie founded in James Bidgood's obsessions - his obsessions with his own imagery and his obsessions with Bobby Kendall - this spectacularly beautiful and extremely sexy young New York hustler, a young guy with mickjaggeresque lips of epic proportions, and schlong with satisfying juicyness. Just look at all the wonderful images of Bobby's face and body! And the lips!! The lips!!! Goddamn:heart::heart::heart:

Two pieces of info that can be of some importance for understanding this movie: I thing it's relevant to know, that - as I said - Bobby Kendall worked as a hustler now and again, and there are a number of scenes in the movie alluding to this fact.

And most parts of the movie were made in Bidgood's small New York-apartment, where he also had Bobby living with him.

So here we go! Have much fun : http://www.gayheaven.org/showthread.php?t=497165

Here's some pics, first some Bidgood, and then some later artists inspired by Bidgood!

James Bidgood pictures.

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French painter / photographer duo Pierre et Gilles.
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David LaChapelle
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If you want some more Bidgood images, maybe I can recommend one of my old GH threads :http://www.gayheaven.org/showpost.php?p=773981&postcount=13


Peter Berlin: That Boy (1974).

Peter Berlin (b. 1942) was and is an artist quite as multifaceted as James Bidgood : Photographer and moviemaker, fashion designer and sewer, graphic artist, and model.

"Peter Berlin" is his art / stage persona, while his real name was and is Armin Hagen, Freiherr von Hoyningen-Huene. ("Freiherr" is the German word for baron, just as "Graf" is earl and "Herzog" is duke.) So he's Preussian nobility and his father was killed in battle in the Soviet Union a short while after young Armin / Peter was born.

Peter Berlin's paternal uncle was the famous fashion photographer Georg von Hoyningen-Huene (1900-1968), who was the central figure among the Vouge-photograpers in the 1920 and 30s, and as much a competent homo as his nephew. And guess what - Georg von Hoyningen-Huene had a boyfriend/lover who also was a very well known photographer, Horst P. Horst.

"That Boy" was Peter Berlin's second gay porn movie - the first was Nights in Black Leather from 1973 - and it's a film about a very handsome sexy young man Helmuth (Peter Berlin himself) and all the other men around him, being obsessed - oh yes, this is also a movie moulded in obsession - with Helmuths looks, body and fat cock. We get to listen to different obsessed voices gazeing at his very muscular body and big schlong.

But Helmuth himself is infatuated by a blind boy, i.e. the only one in the movie who's not obsessed with Helmuth's erotic beauty. And is some way, the boys blindness is what gives Helmuth his existential and psychological freedom.

So "That Boy" isn't Helmuth. "That Boy" is the blind young man. That's my interpretation anyway.

And I think it's important to remember, that almost every piece of clothing, jewlery and accessoirs in this film - just as in Berlin's photography - is designed and made by Peter Berlin himself.

In a way you could say, that just like James Bidgood's "Pink Narcissus", Berlin's "That Boy" is a Wagnerian Micro-Gesamtkunstwerk, a total work of art. So here we go :http://www.gayheaven.org/showthread.php?t=497250

Some photos of Peter Berlin

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