what do you think of socialized medicine?

[Thor]

what do you think of socialized medicine?

we don't have health care for all here in US, but the new administration wants it, and its creating a lot of probs, I don't understand why anyone would NOT want all ppl in there country to have health care, and i would be happy that my taxes went for that, as apposed to other stupid things...

what do you think? and please all views welcome, those that have it, what do you think? is it a good thing? lol

 

[taurus2904]

Of the industrialized nations, I think America is the most arrogant, selfish, and self-righteous of the bunch. (My family has been here since 1680-1700.) We're so focused on the individual, unless it is a big business, that we've forgotten to think of ourselves in groups at all.

America has let the healthcare issue linger for so long that any changes to it are going to cause lots of problems for lots of stakeholders. It's time America joined the world and guarantee healthcare to its citizens.

 

[Thor]

Of the industrialized nations, I think America is the most arrogant, selfish, and self-righteous of the bunch. (My family has been here since 1680-1700.) We're so focused on the individual, unless it is a big business, that we've forgotten to think of ourselves in groups at all.

America has let the healthcare issue linger for so long that any changes to it are going to cause lots of problems for lots of stakeholders. It's time America joined the world and guarantee healthcare to its citizens.

I agree totaly taurus...lol

 

[goejavin]

Well you go Taurus. I could not agree with you more nor have said it any better!!!

 

[XMan101]

Having a National Health Service here in the UK , despite its problems, I couldn't imagine life without it. Whatever is wrong with a person the first priority when you see a doctor or go to a hospital is how to make you well, not can you afford to be there and do you have money to pay before they do anything!

Regardless of your background everyone who pays taxes in the UK is entitled to health care free at the point of contact. There is a small standard charge for prescription medicine, but often this is a very tiny percentage of how much the medicines would cost you if you had to pay for them.

I can't really understand the opposition to this that has been whipped up in the USA. I suspect there has been a lot of misinformation spread around by certain people worried about profits!

 

[ritsuka]

I most certainly support a single-payer system that will provide everyone with guaranteed good quality health care here in the US. The problem is that the insurance corporations have been able to buy policy, and thus have a huge sway over the political system despite the fact that they are expensive, inefficient, and make huge profits by bankrupting and killing people through constantly denying coverage. Another problem is that the far-right are upset about other things and so have latched onto this issue / bought the corporate bottom line and will make as much propaganda as they can. The bills in congress are also bad--they have rejected single payer, will still leave people out, retain income-based inequality, and favor the profits of the insurance companies. So I'm afraid there really is no good change coming, which is too bad, because capitalized medicine is terrible.

 

[brmstn69]

The New American National Health Care Plan...




Marry a Canadian...

 

[Thor]

Like many European countries we basically have socialised medicine in Ireland. When the government get control of something it basically means queues! The good thing about the states is that of you are properly insured (cost is c. 50eur pm) you can get proper treatment in a timely fashion (not being put on a waiting list for years).

There is a limit to government -I mean would you go to a government controlled holiday resort? Oh, but think of all the poor people and vulnerable little children who never get to go on holiday... let's have government run holidays for everyone!

I think socialised healthcare should cover the minimum (medicare): but be wary of handing too much control over to big government. Even in Europe rich people still go to private clinics. Government healthcare is all well and good until you have to wait... and then the government doctors say they need to amputate your foot, and you think to yourself, wait a minute, if I even had halfway decent private insurance... would they be amputating my foot?

It's a numbers game: as it is in the States most people have access to good care, but under government run schemes, only the very rich benefit.

hey Integritas, Id love to sit down and talk with you, you have some of the best thoughts....i love your posts:x:-*

your a true thinker lol

 

[ritsuka]

Like many European countries we basically have socialised medicine in Ireland. When the government get control of something it basically means queues! The good thing about the states is that of you are properly insured (cost is c. 50eur pm) you can get proper treatment in a timely fashion (not being put on a waiting list for years).

There is a limit to government -I mean would you go to a government controlled holiday resort? Oh, but think of all the poor people and vulnerable little children who never get to go on holiday... let's have government run holidays for everyone!

I think socialised healthcare should cover the minimum (medicare): but be wary of handing too much control over to big government. Even in Europe rich people still go to private clinics. Government healthcare is all well and good until you have to wait... and then the government doctors say they need to amputate your foot, and you think to yourself, wait a minute, if I even had halfway decent private insurance... would they be amputating my foot?

It's a numbers game: as it is in the States most people have access to good care, but under government run schemes, only the very rich benefit.

It has nothing to do with "government control," a single-payer system involves only the government paying the bill with private delivery of healthcare. A NHS-style system has never been suggested for the US, and actually, long wait times are due to specific aspects of the systems in the countries they occur - for instance in Canada it is not because there is no private healthcare, but due to a lack of fiscal coordination between state and the federal government. We don't have to replicate those effects for the US. And personally, I would rather essential services, essential human rights like healthcare were answerable to democracy via the government as opposed to the big private corporations controlling healthcare for their own profit without being accountable to the public.

Most people in the US do not have good quality health insurance; and furthermore, even those who have expensive plans find that the unregulated health insurance industry finds ways to cheat them out of providing coverage; private, capitalized medicine has killed, bankrupted and yes, caused wait times due to the huge amount of paperwork and hassle they provide to millions in my country.

Your insensitive, sick comments about the government paying for little children to go on holiday are out of place, and furthermore, snobbish; I personally wasn't able to see a dentist or get medical treatments (and thus suffered a lot) for much of my childhood because we had neither money nor insurance, so if you'd like a lack of care so much, why don't you leave Ireland and experience how good it is yourself? Everyone deserves full, good quality coverage, not only the wealthy (and especially in a time when the wealth and well being of most people is plummeting.) And single-payer systems provide good care to everyone, unlike private insurance, which is the system that only the wealthy benefit from.

 

[Thor]

hey ritsuka, he didn't attack you, he was just expressing his thought why would you attack him? we all have opinions

 

[ritsuka]

What he said was insulting. We do "all have opinions," but making fun of the need for poor people and their children to have health care is offensive, especially to me, and especially from someone with a much better public system. I really don't like people in countries that have a better quality of life (as defined by such guaranteed services and social benefits) joining the bandwagon to make sure people in the US don't have them. That is my opinion. But Ireland is 19 on world health care indexes; the US is 37.

I stand by my response completely; it had nothing to do with "opinions" but with offensive, insulting language and politics that have a huge physical impact on people's lives.

 

[Thor]

ok...cool...voice you opinion, but please don't attack others for theirs. is that fair? lol

 

[marcusl1]

If I look at statistics I see that every single American pay twice as much for healthcare than we do:



Every citizen in my country has the right to public healthcare of a very high standard and a right to go to private hospitals payed for by the state if the public healthcare system takes more than one month to start treatment. Family doctors, Specialist, and hospital care is free of charge payed for by taxes.

So in spite of Americans paying 2 times as much for healthcare services - many millions are left behind as second class citizens because they have no health insurance or are underinsured. It's a travesty to watch such a waste of ressouces and to watch the underpriviliged die of diseases that could have been prevented if they had gotten proper treatment in time. Cancer patients who can not afford the follows ups .... but it seems Americans will rather pay twice as much for a system for the privileged only, than half for a system where everybody is equal. It is how the ressources are used and managed that counts and putting values like dignity, equality and humanity first.

 

[Vyam]

What world are we living in ?
A big amount of Americans find normal and logical that their government help the traders and the bankers who destroyed the financial system (socialization of the disaster), and their same government shouldn't help for the health ?
That means they consider money more important than human beings !

Simply disgusting.

The funniest is that most of these "people against socialized medical assistance" claim that they believe in God !

Gosh...

 

[marcusl1]

Stating that "the money is just not there to pay for it" is simply not true! The statitics I posted shows that very clearly. The money is there! - they spend twice as much per capita as we do. How they spend those money is the issue. Imagine every single citizen in Ireland paying double of what they do now and gettting way less and that those who really needs it the most get nowt- there would a revolution here if that ever happened.

 

[brmstn69]

Liquidating the assets of the big insurance and drug companies would go a long way towards funding national health care. They have been fucking us over for decades. So why not let them bear the burden?

 

[Thor]

Dream on! "Too big to fail." Look at all the money they just handed over to the Banksters. Protecting corporations is the business of government.

If everything fails...what happens to us?