WikiLeaks founder Assange the center of worldwide attention

[Stoic]

And yesterday, Interpol -- a worldwide police organization -- placed Assange on its most wanted list, though not for the controversial work of his website. Instead, the agents of Interpol issued a warrant on charges of rape and sexual harassment against Assange in his adopted home of Sweden -- charges he has vehemently denied. The Interpol warrant strongly suggests that a number of the world's governments want to stop Assange as he continues targeting the activities of Western states and financial operations.

He's currently believed to be in hiding in Britain, but he moves frequently, rarely staying in one place for more than a few days. It has been reported that an Ecuadorian official extended an offer of asylum to Assange earlier in the week, but the country's president shot down any chance of that happening yesterday.

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[Tjerk12]

I think that it is like in the Catholic Church. The ones who pray most about dignity are those who should be be discredited. By some cirstances I had to do with the (local) government in The Netherlands. I will never trust them again. I don't think that those people are bad, they will not differ from (normal) people, but the situation they live in is abnormal. The power they posses is unnatural and unhealthy. The Netherlands are one of the companions in the struggle in Irak and Afghanistan. Actually I feel guilty for that.

 

[sephreniax2]

I think when WikiLeaks started off, it was trying to do a good thing. Exposing human rights violations and the terrible things that governments tried to sweep under the rug.

But the latest batch of leaks serves no purpose but to embarrass the U.S. There was no information regarding any rights violation, just TMI about world leaders and their various entertainments.

 

[brmstn69]

This piece of shit stole classified government doents, that makes him a spy...

He gave access to this information to the Taliban, al-Qaida, and renegade governments hostile to the United States and Collation participant Nations, putting the lives of US soldiers, Collation forces, and those who work with them at risk. This makes him a terrorist.

He should be tried, convicted and EXECUTED as such...:angry:

P.S. Given the opportunity, I'd gladly put him in my cross-hairs myself...

 

[smallsleepyrascalcat]

Julian Assange did not steal anything. He just received doents that Private First Class Bradley E. Manning stole from some servers he had access to. And he already has been arrested and he's facing some decades in jail. He will be an old man when he will be able to breath unfiltered air again... he has to pay a lot for humiliating his country.

P.S.: The US deserve this humiliation. You don't have the guts to arrest George, Dick and Donald. THEY deserve to be executed for the death of every single soldier that died in Iraq.

 

[ritsuka]

What wikileaks has done is admirable; exposing the way the US manages it's dirty civilian-killing wars and morally bankrupt diplomacy is what is needed to curtail the empire. They are transparency activists; they believe that for democracy to exist, the government needs to not keep secrets from its citizenry, and they are right. The charges that the Swedish government has been pressured to bring against Assange are absolutely ridiculous.

The US government is out there every day murdering innocent peasants in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen... It is the US government/military and CIA that have blood on their hands; they need to get the fuck out of other people's countries, and then their "soldiers" will be just fine. They most definitely deserves to be held responsible for their actions. Spying on the UN, interfering with the judicial process in Spain (when there were cases there and in Germany trying to hold US officials responsible for torture, the state department sent threats and convinced the judges to dismiss), and other instances of double-dealing needed to be shown to the world. I'm glad they have; and I hope that corrupt, ultra-cynical right wing politicians like hillary clinton are forced to resign.

 

[brmstn69]

@Rascalcat,
As far as I'm concerned,Manning, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and several others are all guilty of treason and should be shot dead on the White-house lawn...

@ritsuka,
Transparency of government is one thing, publishing military secrets during a war and publishing the names of informants to the Taliban is entirely different.

It's obvious that you have never fought in a war, and hopefully you never will...

But after you've seen you fellow soldiers blown to pieces by an IED planted by some "innocent civilian" or mother crying that her baby needs help while the whole time she's wearing an explosives vest or shot buy the little boy begging for food, you realize that these people have no boundaries, they will use women and children to fight for them. They will use your compassion and sympathy to get close enough to kill as many of you as possible.

You will quickly loose any compassion or sympathy for them, or you will die...

You will quickly see anyone who doesn't wear the same uniform as you, and some that do, as a potential threat and enemy, or you will die...

The bulk of the blood that has been spilled, lies not on the hands of the soldiers. It belongs to the extremest, the governments who have allowed them to go unchecked for so long that they are now capable of such acts, the governments who have supported their acts of terror, and the so called innocent civilians themselves, because they are guilty as well, they are guilty of cowardice and indifference, they allowed themselves to be ruled by fear and ignorance, they stood by and watched them gain power and did nothing.

If these people and their governments had been able contain their garbage instead of letting it spill over into the neighbors yard, then we wouldn't be taking out the trash.

But I do agree that our military forces need to leave...

If it were up to me we'd be out ASAP, and since when ever we do leave occupied territories, we leave all of our equipment behind, buildings, weapons, supplies, vehicles, etc. I've come up with a good use for that stuff...

I think we should empty out all the prisons of the murders, rapist, child molesters, career criminals, etc. all those with very little chance of reform, and send them over there, give it all to them and tell them to do their worst, just don't come back...

If they can't keep their trash off of our lawn, we should dump all of ours on theirs....

P.S. Stop and think before you criticize those soldiers and others like them, if it wasn't for them and those before them that have fought for freedom. If the Axis had won WWII, the Communist had gone unopposed, or if you were under Taliban rule, the very words you have written here, criticizing government policies, would land you in prison or dead....

 

[c750dt]

I think the guy gets too much attention. Capture him and he still has a network that will now be harder to trace. Launch this stupid international manhunt and now, he's in constant hiding and we can't monitor him. Over-blow the situation in the press and in the government and now his organization has all the free publicity it needs. Whether Assange is right or wrong I'm not too concerned about right now; I beleive the situation is being absurdly mishandled.

 

[ethanhenderson]

Get him....

 

[Daedalus]

Love him or hate him... Assange has got some pretty big balls!

 

[ritsuka]

brmstn69, This is a corrupt, cynical war that needs to be ended; but evidence from official sources have shown that no, there have been no deaths as a result of the Afghan war logs. That is the constant, repetitive lie of the pentagon. Your description is pretty passionate, but actually, there are real, noncombatant peasants being murdered by the drones and in the night raids all the time; they don't have bombs or weapons, they were just trying to live their lives. Both NATO, the US and Afghan governments have all confirmed this fact. Others, might indeed be part of their own patriotic resistance groups against the illegal foreign military occupation who destroyed their family, their lives, their livelihood. You don't have the right to kill the owners of the home that you just broke into, imo. I don't think military people traumatized into becoming cynical, blind, bloodless killers should be the ones deciding how long the wars continue; allowing the generals to do so is really ridiculous I think.

Nuremburg established that you are still subject to international law even when following orders; the US military is responsible for their actions, for their torture, murder, and destruction of sovereign foreign lands. The governments of the middle east surely should have kept their people under wraps while the US sanctions killed 1/2 million Iraqi children, while the US funded Israel's theft and brutal program against the Palestineans and it's neighbours; while the US created the brutal Muhajadeen in Afganistan, toppled democratric Arab leaders in military coups, put Sadam Huiseen into place, supported India's subjugation of Kashmir... But you're right, these imperial crimes of the US shouldn't have consequences, now or then.

The Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, and they were ready to hand over the person in question if they were simply given evidence that he was guilty; they were not good friends with the taliban. Instead, the pentagon decided to steal trillions of dollars from the american people to kill and destroy for the profits of private military contractors. Hence the birth of the "war on terror"; when the fbi isn't entrapping american citizens into ridiculous plots that the agency dreamed up themselves, they are bombing absolutely innocent people, and making new enemies out of the survivors left behind. Undoubtedly, if Bradley Manning did what he is accused of, he was a very brave exception to the authoritarian obedience that many of his compatriots practiced. There is not enough criticism of soldiers in this country, I think. The military industrial complex has long since taken over.

 

[smallsleepyrascalcat]

@brmstn69: What do US soldiers have to do in Afghanistan and Iraq? They shouldn't have gone there in the first place. Imagina a bigger power then the US (just imagine it) would invade your country... what would you do?
You are not welcome and now you have to live with it. The soldiers die, yes, but once again you are blaming the wrong people. You should blame the people that did not listen to the old Europe.

And Manning deserves a medal and his freedom. That the names of the informants were clear he's not reliable for. When the data was published he already was in jail. That really is wikileaks fault.

@Putin: The only proof that he once had balls is his son. At this moment, if he had balls, he would not play hide and seek. That he is not wanting to go to Sweden and let them question him is because he has something to hide.

 

[ritsuka]

Julian Assange stayed in Sweden for a full month after the charges were brought against him; in that time, he approached the authorities several times to give an interview and clear his name. They showed no interest in doing so, and eventually he had to leave for work; they knew he was leaving and didn't stop him. He isn't hiding from the authorities right now; his attorneys are in contact with the British and Swedish governments; they know where he is. The people he is hiding from are potential assassins inspired by the mass of right wing politicians in the US who are calling for him to be killed.

 

[c750dt]

For those with whom Assange would associate, some easy money could be had.
http://anonym.to/?http://www.rbr.com/radio/radio-programming/todd-schnitt-offers-50-000-for-julian-assange.html

This whole operation smells so fishy. There's no discretion and the tactics employed are not just useless but harmful to any attempt to capture Mr. Assange and/or do away with WikiLeaks. On top of this, the site publishes mostly non-news. The idea that all of this brouhaha could really be an elaborate ruse/diversion to keep focus away from severe political problems does not sound far-fetched considering current news related to this subject. Besides, how could a government possibly be so damn sloppy with an operation?

Well, whatever this all means, we see just how unfit our leaders are. But alas! We currently live in a society where more money and luxury is to be had in private sector than in governing seats so at best, we're constantly led by the second best. In reality, however, our government is simply a cesspool. The good that still exist isn't new but remnants from times past.

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EDIT: Thanks for correcting me. Sorry about that.

 

[cban]

Vamos Assange ... his name alone is like a character in a spy movie.

 

[rebornme40]

I dont agree

To most of us, The OPPRESSED, (i refer to the oppressed as people who live in countries where America and Europe attacked, have been attacking and are attacking), Julian Asange is a HERO and A SUPERMAN.

To me he is a hero AND A SUPERMAN TOO.

I feel sorry for the american soldiers who were forced by their government to fight for a very bad cause, BRUTALITY AND BARBARISM.

You maybe are praying that american soldiers are safe but millions of people in Afghanistan or Iraq are hoping the opposites so that they will be free from the suffering from the barbaric soldiers.

You may think that american soldiers are doing something good for their country but millions of people think that they are killing innocent people in muslim countries.

You may think that TALIBAN are terrorist. Millions of people think that american and NATO governments are as bad if not a lot worse. We are very terrorized everytime Tony Blair and George Bush names are mentioned.

We are kind of happy that america and europe are in crisis hoping that they will not spend more money to kill us.


My big question is that why are the american and european people silent witnessing their governments and soldiers terrorize INNOCENT PEOPLE AROUND the world?

This piece of shit stole classified government doents, that makes him a spy...

He gave access to this information to the Taliban, al-Qaida, and renegade governments hostile to the United States and Collation participant Nations, putting the lives of US soldiers, Collation forces, and those who work with them at risk. This makes him a terrorist.

He should be tried, convicted and EXECUTED as such...:angry:

P.S. Given the opportunity, I'd gladly put him in my cross-hairs myself...

 

[Daedalus]

brmstn69, This is a corrupt, cynical war that needs to be ended; but evidence from official sources have shown that no, there have been no deaths as a result of the Afghan war logs. That is the constant, repetitive lie of the pentagon. Your description is pretty passionate, but actually, there are real, noncombatant peasants being murdered by the drones and in the night raids all the time; they don't have bombs or weapons, they were just trying to live their lives. Both NATO, the US and Afghan governments have all confirmed this fact. Others, might indeed be part of their own patriotic resistance groups against the illegal foreign military occupation who destroyed their family, their lives, their livelihood. You don't have the right to kill the owners of the home that you just broke into, imo. I don't think military people traumatized into becoming cynical, blind, bloodless killers should be the ones deciding how long the wars continue; allowing the generals to do so is really ridiculous I think.

Nuremburg established that you are still subject to international law even when following orders; the US military is responsible for their actions, for their torture, murder, and destruction of sovereign foreign lands. The governments of the middle east surely should have kept their people under wraps while the US sanctions killed 1/2 million Iraqi children, while the US funded Israel's theft and brutal program against the Palestineans and it's neighbours; while the US created the brutal Muhajadeen in Afganistan, toppled democratric Arab leaders in military coups, put Sadam Huiseen into place, supported India's subjugation of Kashmir... But you're right, these imperial crimes of the US shouldn't have consequences, now or then.

The Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, and they were ready to hand over the person in question if they were simply given evidence that he was guilty; they were not good friends with the taliban. Instead, the pentagon decided to steal trillions of dollars from the american people to kill and destroy for the profits of private military contractors. Hence the birth of the "war on terror"; when the fbi isn't entrapping american citizens into ridiculous plots that the agency dreamed up themselves, they are bombing absolutely innocent people, and making new enemies out of the survivors left behind. Undoubtedly, if Bradley Manning did what he is accused of, he was a very brave exception to the authoritarian obedience that many of his compatriots practiced. There is not enough criticism of soldiers in this country, I think. The military industrial complex has long since taken over.

Well said indeed.

 

[c750dt]

@rebornme40: For the individual citizen, it doesn't entirely matter who's government is right or wrong. If retaliation for a decision I had no influence on affects me, naturally I'll be quite ticked off. You can't justify death of civilians by saying their government killed innocent civilians in your land. Modern war altogether, in that regard, is a flawed concept. It's gone from a matter of defense to a matter of trying to make a right by combining multiple wrongs. Those who fight never make the call themselves but rather, put themselves at risk for a person or group of people isolated and in much finer living condition (even in the case of people such as the late Saddam Hussein; an improvised hole-in-the-ground bunker is a better place to live than in a battlefield getting shot at).

For the sake of this argument, no sides will be taken. My point is that it's a shame leaders themselves are rarely ever impacted by their own actions. For example, a certain Mr. Jean-Claude Duvalier who currently enjoys a padded life in Paris; in fact it was just this year he came upon a spare $4mil. Another example being that the US house and senate members are exempt from Obamacare. Politicians in the United states are exempt from the no-call registry when campaigning.

With all things considered, if we didn't have so many jerks running entire countries, there would be no use for Wikileaks.

 

[brmstn69]

@rituska & Rasclecat,

Perhaps you misunderstood me, I don't give a shit about him embarrassing the US government, like they haven't already embarrassed themselves on countless occasions and will continue to do so...

I'm not blind, nor am I stupid, I know that our government is corrupt beyond contempt. I know that the entire "war" is nothing but a money maker for greedy profiteers, and I know that these war pig profiteers are the ones who pull the strings to make our politicians dance...

My issue with what Assange and Manning have done is the fact that they put my fellow soldiers at risk, and the implications that the soldiers are to blame, when they are merely pawns being used in a chess game they don't want to play.

My issue it that even though they are pawns, in a chess game you try to protect as many of the pieces as possible and there are a few well intentioned people higher up, let's call them the bishops and knights, that have tried to keep as many of these pawns as possible placed where they can give them some protection.

Then here come Assange and Manning, and like a couple of brat kids, they run up and move around all the pieces leaving the pawns exposed...

Assange can embarrass the government all he wants, but when he put the lives of our soldiers at risk whether or not anything came of it, he crossed the line...

And for Manning, a soldier himself, to do it to his fellow soldiers is inexcusable...

A soldier does not have much, they get very little pay, have no control of their lives, and are at the mercy of their superiors. But the one thing they do have is their honor.

Manning has no honor...

Go after the politicians, not the pawns...


@rebornme40,

It's funny that you speak of the "brutality" caused by American and European forces.

What do you know of your own country's atrocities?

I'm guessing not much since your government has done much to keep it out of the history books, even going as far as burning text book that tell of it...

But back in 1965-66 during the "communist purge" over half a million and some reports say as many a 1 million suspected communist, left wingers and citizens of Chinese decent were butchered and as many as 2 million more jailed without cause. This was done under orders from the military and Islamic politicians.

I should also note that this was done with the knowledge and support of the American and British governments. But hey, they were killing commies so we didn't mind...

http://anonym.to/?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_killings_of_1965-66


*A final thought, wouldn't it be nice if our politicians and world leaders were brave enough to settle their disputes with a duel?

Wouldn't it be great if instead of sending armies in to destroy everything in their path, we just rid ourselves of those bullshit treaties and the "gentleman's agreement" amongst our world leaders that they would not directly target heads of state.

Wouldn't it be great if an assassins bullet was able to prevent needless bloodshed...

But the war pigs would never allow it, there's no profit to be made that way...:duh:

 

[Stoic]

New Development:

WikiLeaks releases list of global sites 'vital' to US

WASHINGTON (AFP) – WikiLeaks has divulged a secret list compiled by Washington of key infrastructure sites around the world that could pose a critical danger to US security if they come under terrorist attack....

It details undersea cables, key communications, ports, mineral resources and firms of strategic importance in countries ranging from Britain to New Zealand, via Africa, the Middle East and China.

A Canadian hydroelectric plant is described as a "critical irreplaceable source of power to portions of Northeast US," while a Siemens factory in Germany does "essentially irreplaceable production of key chemicals".

Also listed are European manufacturers of vaccines for smallpox and rabies, an Italian maker of treatment for snake-bite venom, and a German company making treatment for plutonium poisoning.

According to the diplomatic cable, the request was designed "to strengthen national preparedness, timely response, and rapid recovery in the event of an attack, natural disaster or other emergency".

http://anonym.to/?http://news.yahoo...s_alt_afp/usdiplomacywikileaks_20101206102522